Committee Summary for House Education Funding (01/16/2025)

Bill/Time	Type	Title	Sponsor
HB115 00:25:37.559 - 12:10:33 PM	Public Hearing	relative to universal eligibility for the education freedom account program.	McDonnell, Valerie(R)[B+]2024

HB115: Valerie McDonald, Salem Support00:25:37.559 - 12:10:33 PM; Valerie McDonald, the prime sponsor of House Bill 115 FN, testified in support of the bill. She highlighted that the bill aims to fund students rather than systems, ensuring educational opportunities are not limited by a student's income or zip code. The bill slightly modifies the statute by removing income limitations from the eligibility requirements for Education Freedom Accounts (EFAs), which she noted is a modest change in the law's language. McDonald emphasized the benefits of the bill, such as empowering families to choose the best educational settings for their children, including non-public, homeschooling, and public charter school options. She also mentioned the financial benefits of EFAs, such as covering testing fees for college credit exams, which can reduce the need for student loans. McDonald shared personal and constituent stories to underline the positive impact of EFAs, including a story about a family facing financial hardship due to medical expenses. She concluded by urging the committee to help meet the educational needs of constituents, suggesting that supporting this bill is part of their legislative duty.
HB115: Wendy Thomas, Merrimack Oppose00:41:25.880 - 12:26:21 PM; Representative Wendy Thomas testified in opposition to House Bill 115 FN. She expressed concerns about the bill's potential to increase costs for public funds, as the voucher program could divert money from public schools to private schools, leading to unfunded public schools, larger class sizes, reduced programs, and inadequate resources. She noted that the EFA program in New Hampshire has exceeded initial cost projections significantly. Thomas also highlighted the potential for increased local taxes due to less state funding for public schools, the lack of oversight and accountability in private schools receiving vouchers, and the support for religious schools which raises concerns about the separation of church and state. She concluded that voting against the bill would be fiscally responsible for New Hampshire taxpayers.
HB115: Heath Howard, Strafford and Barrington Oppose00:44:53.359 - 12:29:49 PM; Representative Heath Howard expressed strong opposition to the bill, arguing that it operates as a tax subsidy for wealthy individuals who can already afford private schooling. He emphasized the budgetary constraints faced by public schools and criticized the inefficiency of funding private education at the expense of public schools. Howard highlighted that schools have fixed costs regardless of student numbers, and diverting funds to private education would exacerbate the financial struggles of public districts. He also mentioned the state's failure to increase funding for general and special education, underscoring the constitutional obligation to fund public education adequately. Howard concluded that the state should prioritize funding public education over private education for the wealthiest residents.
HB115: Sam Farington, Rochester Ward 4 Support00:46:59.960 - 12:31:55 PM; Representative Sam Farington shared a personal story about a constituent family to illustrate the benefits of expanding the Educational Freedom Account program. He recounted how a student faced sexual harassment at a public school, leading the family to switch to a private school at great financial cost. Farington highlighted the positive impact on the student's academic and emotional well-being after the change. He argued that the state should increase educational freedom to prevent families from going into debt to ensure their children's success and well-being.
HB115: Megan Murray, Amherst and Milford Oppose00:49:19.480 - 12:34:15 PM; Representative Megan Murray opposed House Bill 115, stating that it undermines the commitment to public education and local school boards. She criticized the lack of financial reporting requirements for the EFA voucher system, noting that public funds are placed into accounts without sufficient transparency or oversight. Murray also expressed concerns about the bill's impact on special education, emphasizing the state's duty to educate all children and the lack of data on whether voucher programs meet this obligation. She strongly opposed the bill on behalf of her constituents, advocating for fiscal transparency and oversight.
HB115: Chichester Support00:51:29.920 - 12:36:25 PM; Chichester spoke in support of HB115 FN, emphasizing the importance of choice in education. They argued that students should have the option to choose their educational path post-K-12, similar to how they choose colleges. They mentioned personal experience with choosing a Christian University and advocated for extending similar choices to K-12 students, suggesting that parents should be able to select the best educational environment for their child, whether it be a public, charter, or private school.
HB115: Stephanie Grund, Hillsboro County 34, Amherst Oppose00:53:09.839 - 12:38:05 PM; Representative Stephanie Grund from Amherst opposed HB115 FN, citing concerns over the impact on public school funding. She argued that raising the voucher cap would divert necessary funds from public schools, particularly affecting underfunded districts. She questioned the adequacy of voucher programs in providing access to quality education for lower-income families, pointing out potential logistical barriers. Grund also criticized the lack of academic performance standards for students using vouchers and called for an audit of the program managing state education funds.
HB115: Timothy Horgan, Strafford County District 10, Durham Oppose00:55:27.079 - 12:40:23 PM; Representative Timothy Horgan from Durham opposed HB115 FN, describing it as a 'fiscal time bomb'. He expressed concerns over the lack of income limits for voucher eligibility, suggesting that it would lead to significant increases in costs. Horgan criticized the fiscal note as vague and untrustworthy, and highlighted a report from 'Reaching Higher in New Hampshire' estimating potential costs at $100 to $130 million annually. He also criticized the program's design and oversight, suggesting private funding for private education.
HB115: Manchester Ward 12 Representative Support00:58:35.559 - 12:43:31 PM; The representative from Manchester Ward 12 supported HB115 FN, sharing personal experience as an EFA recipient and emphasizing the program's benefits for their daughter. They argued that the program's expansion would not be fiscally irresponsible, as it has led to increased funding for Manchester schools. They emphasized the need to focus on improving education outcomes for children, suggesting that the program helps address low proficiency scores in Manchester.
HB115: Damon Information Only01:00:46.400 - 12:45:42 PM; Representative Damon provided information regarding public feedback on HB115 FN, mentioning that while the Manchester Ward 12 representative received 50 supportive emails, statewide numbers showed 744 in support and 317 opposed. They highlighted the discrepancy between local and statewide opinions on the bill.
HB115: Luna Information Only01:01:32.480 - 12:46:28 PM; Representative Luna inquired about the possibility of supporting an amendment to HB115 FN that would require an annual audit of the program's performance and compliance with state laws. The Manchester Ward 12 representative responded that they would need to review the current law to provide a more informed answer.
HB115: Michaela Deiter, Dover School Board, New Hampshire School Funding Fairness Project Oppose01:02:55.200 - 12:47:51 PM; Michaela Deiter from Dover opposed HB115 FN, arguing that expanding the voucher system is fiscally irresponsible. They highlighted the state's shortfall in special education funding and compared it to the costs of the voucher program. Deiter criticized the claim that the program saves taxpayers money, pointing out that most students using vouchers were not previously in public schools. They emphasized the mandatory nature of funding special education versus the discretionary nature of vouchers.
HB115: Brenda Quinn Oppose01:09:02.238 - 12:53:58 PM; Brenda Quinn opposed the expansion of the voucher program under HB115 FN, focusing on the lack of accountability in programs outside public schools. As a mental health professional, Quinn emphasized the developmental importance of public schools in fostering diverse interactions among students. They criticized the potential tax increase and the diversion of funds from public to private education, advocating for better funding of public schools and special education programs.
HB115: Gabriel Jetty, Manchester Support01:12:10.600 - 12:57:06 PM; Gabriel Jetty, a resident of Manchester, supports HB115 FN. She spoke about her three children attending St. Francis School in Litchfield, emphasizing the benefits of the school's holistic education approach, including natural science classes, a small farm, and low teacher-to-student ratios. Jetty highlighted the financial strain of paying out of pocket for education due to being just above the income limit for the EFA benefit. She argued that expanding the bill would help families like hers with multiple children and encouraged the committee to support the bill to provide more students with quality education opportunities.
HB115: Wendy Santiago, EFA Recipient Support01:15:18.840 - 1:00:14 PM; Wendy Santiago, a recipient of the EFA, spoke in support of HB115 FN. She shared her family's experience with bullying in public school and the subsequent decline in her son's academics and self-esteem. After switching to the EFA program, her son, who was present during the testimony, has thrived, becoming a full-time college student, securing his first job, and pursuing pilot training. Santiago emphasized the necessity of the EFA program to support children seeking alternative schooling to avoid abuse.
HB115: Noah Santiago, EFA Recipient Support01:17:40.000 - 1:02:36 PM; Noah Santiago, Wendy's son, supported HB115 FN. He briefly mentioned his right to education and the need for programs like EFA to protect children from abuse in school, emphasizing the importance of alternative schooling options.
HB115: Sarah Wingren, 10 years old Oppose01:20:52.639 - 1:05:48 PM; Sarah Wingren, a 10-year-old student, opposed HB115 FN. She discussed her experience transitioning from public to private school due to budget cuts affecting extracurricular activities and foreign language programs in her public school. Sarah argued that the money proposed for families choosing private schools should be used to improve public schools, providing students with better opportunities in their communities.
HB115: Michelle Wingren, Sarah's mother Oppose01:21:38.880 - 1:06:34 PM; Michelle Wingren, Sarah's mother, opposed HB115 FN. She detailed the family's struggle with diminishing opportunities in public schools due to funding cuts, leading to their decision to send their children to private school. Michelle emphasized the financial sacrifices they made and advocated for funding public schools to ensure quality education in local communities rather than supporting private education.
HB115: Amanda Quint, Kingston Support01:24:42.320 - 1:09:38 PM; Amanda Quint from Kingston spoke in support of HB115 FN. She shared her son Ronnie's difficulties in public school due to his high-functioning autism and sensory processing issues, as well as bullying. The EFA program allowed them to homeschool, providing a safe and comfortable learning environment. Amanda stressed the importance of the EFA funds, which, though insufficient to cover full private school costs, significantly aid in providing necessary educational support.
HB115: Ronnie Quint, 11 years old, Kingston Support01:27:05.239 - 1:12:01 PM; Ronnie Quint, an 11-year-old from Kingston, supported HB115 FN. He shared his experience with the EFA program, which enabled him to receive a better education and necessary supplies, highlighting how the program has been crucial for his learning and safety.
HB115: Haley Cajun, 13 years old, Epping Support01:28:12.840 - 1:13:08 PM; Haley Cajun, a 13-year-old from Epping, supported HB115 FN. She shared her experiences with foster care and the educational challenges she faced. With the help of the EFA, Haley was able to improve her grades and participate in dance lessons, which boosted her self-esteem. She expressed concern about losing EFA funding due to income caps and urged the committee to ensure the program's availability to all.
HB115: Donna, Epping Support01:29:34.480 - 1:14:30 PM; Donna from Epping spoke in support of HB115 FN. As a foster and adoptive parent with extensive homeschooling experience, she shared the success stories of her grandchildren, particularly one who made significant educational progress with the help of EFA. She argued against income caps on EFA, stressing the importance of providing all children with equal educational opportunities.
HB115: Alyssa Sosa Molina, EFA Recipient Support01:31:55.600 - 1:16:51 PM; Alyssa Sosa Molina, an EFA recipient, supported HB115 FN. She discussed her children's special needs and the challenges they faced in public schools, which did not follow recommended educational and safety plans. The EFA allowed them to access private schooling, therapies, and support, significantly improving her children's educational outcomes. Alyssa emphasized the importance of tracking EFA expenditures and argued against income-based eligibility, stating that the program should be available to all children in need.
HB115: Daryl Hall, Pelham, NH Support01:35:45.920 - 1:20:41 PM; Daryl Hall, a resident of Pelham, NH, testified in support of HB115 FN, emphasizing the poor quality of education in the local public school system. He mentioned moving to Pelham in 2021 and enrolling his children, Olivia, Sophia, and Logan, in the school system. However, he found the education lacking in quality, with inadequate disciplinary policies and the promotion of disagreeable social agendas. In 2023, they transitioned to a home-based education program, which he claims surpassed the public school's metrics. Hall highlighted a 3% decline in school district enrollment over the past five years and a 65% tax contribution to the district, yet the proficiency rates in English Language Arts and Math were only 51% and 41%, respectively, failing to meet state targets. He argued that without improvements, parents are forced to bear the financial burden of private education, and an EFA would provide necessary resources to families like his, especially near the Massachusetts border where the cost of living is high.
HB115: Jessica Mig, Dover, NH Support01:39:40.880 - 1:24:36 PM; Jessica Mig from Dover, NH, supported HB115 FN, stating that although her family's income is just above the threshold for EFA eligibility, the financial strain of private education is significant. She shared her family's struggle with the high cost of living and the potential impact of economic downturns on their ability to afford education and housing. Mig argued that even a small amount of financial support could significantly change their situation, allowing them to choose a school that aligns with their family values. She emphasized the importance of educational freedom for her children, Isabelle and another child, and the community, despite understanding the need for public school funding.
HB115: Alysa S. Molina, EFA Recipient Support01:42:28.679 - 1:27:24 PM; Alysa S. Molina, a senior in high school and EFA recipient, strongly supported HB115 FN. She shared her personal experience of being homeschooled by her single mother and then attending a private school with the help of EFA funds. Molina highlighted how the EFA allowed her to seek better opportunities and growth. She recounted a friend's experience of needing to change schools due to bullying, which was made possible by the EFA. Molina urged the committee to consider the plight of children in toxic environments or struggling academically, who could benefit from expanded access to EFAs regardless of income, quoting Nelson Mandela to emphasize the transformative power of education.
HB115: Mark Malone, Epping, NH, Vice Chair of Epping Budget Committee Oppose01:45:31.280 - 1:30:27 PM; Mark Malone from Epping, NH, and Vice Chair of the Epping Budget Committee, expressed opposition to HB115 FN. He was concerned about the lack of income limits for EFA eligibility, citing the example of families potentially using taxpayer money to send their children to expensive private schools like Phillips Exeter Academy. Malone argued that such a scenario would be an outrageous use of taxpayer funds, especially in a town like Epping where residents struggle with property taxes. He emphasized the need for means testing to ensure public education funding remains adequate for students not using EFAs, warning against the bill's potential to open a 'Pandora's Box' of unlimited spending.
HB115: Jennifer Black, Windham, NH Support01:50:52.880 - 1:35:48 PM; Jennifer Black from Windham, NH, spoke in favor of HB115 FN, sharing her experiences and concerns about public education. She recounted a conversation with a public school teacher about classroom chaos and lack of discipline, which led her and her husband to homeschool their six children. After homeschooling, they found a small Christian school that aligned with their values and provided a disciplined environment. Black highlighted the sacrifices families make to afford private education while still paying public school taxes, advocating for the EFA to help other parents make similar choices for their children's education.
HB115: Giana Jelley, Madbury, NH, School Board Member of Oyster River Cooperative School District SAU 5 Oppose01:54:06.920 - 1:39:02 PM; Giana Jelley, a resident of Madbury, NH, and a school board member of the Oyster River Cooperative School District SAU 5, opposed HB115 FN. She argued that fully funding public education is the most equitable and fiscally responsible way to ensure all students have access to quality education. Jelley criticized the voucher system for not ensuring equity, as many families still cannot afford private education even with EFA aid. She pointed out that the expansion would negatively impact school district budgets, leading to increased property taxes and service cuts, particularly in light of projected budget shortfalls and inadequate public education funding. Jelley also highlighted the lack of accountability and oversight in the EFA program, contrasting it with the transparency and accountability of public education.
HB115: Damon, Oyster River Cooperative School District SAU 5 Information Only01:56:35.800 - 1:41:31 PM; Damon discussed the Oyster River Cooperative School District's approach to communication between teachers and parents. He highlighted that the district has rules ensuring prompt responses to parental inquiries, with a 48-hour response time requirement for teachers. If not met, the issue escalates to the principal. He emphasized the district's openness to communication, noting that parents can email, call, or visit the school and typically face no issues. He also mentioned the active involvement of the community in school board meetings, indicating strong communication and community engagement.
HB115: Bob Warry, Hillsboro District 13, representing Hudson Support01:57:53.920 - 1:42:49 PM; Bob Warry expressed support for Universal Educational Freedom Accounts (EFAs), emphasizing the need for more educational options due to declining enrollment and proficiency despite increasing educational costs. He discussed how EFAs could make quality education more attainable for students with unique needs, provide better accountability than current systems, and enhance local control over educational spending. He highlighted the potential for EFAs to improve return on investment in education by allowing direct investment into various educational expenses.
HB115: Joe Alexander, representing the town of Goffstown Support02:00:57.800 - 1:45:53 PM; Joe Alexander spoke in support of HB115 FN, sharing his personal experience as a gay student and the importance of finding a school environment that supports individual needs. He emphasized the necessity of educational freedom to ensure every child can find a school that fits their academic, social, or emotional needs. He advocated for investing in families by allowing funds to be used elsewhere if the local school does not meet their needs, and he co-sponsored the bill to ensure every child has the opportunity to find the best educational fit.
HB115: Mary Wilky, retired public school teacher from Concord Oppose02:02:48.480 - 1:47:44 PM; Mary Wilky opposed the bill, arguing that expanding the EFA program would divert public funds away from community public schools. She highlighted issues such as teacher turnover, lack of educational opportunities, and the state of school buildings as reasons why public schools need more support, not less. She also expressed concerns about the lack of data on the impact of the current EFA program and questioned the program's financial stewardship and potential negative effects on student outcomes. She submitted written testimony for further review.
HB115: Amy Hansen, Amherst Oppose02:05:52.840 - 1:50:48 PM; Amy Hansen strongly opposed the proposal for Universal EFA eligibility, citing concerns about undermining public education, equity issues for low-income families, lack of accountability and oversight in private schools, potential increased financial burden on taxpayers, and the separation of church and state. She argued that expanding the program without addressing these issues could have negative consequences for public education and the students it serves, suggesting that existing systems for out-of-district placement should be utilized instead.
HB115: Joseph Collar, Portsmouth Oppose02:08:20.159 - 1:53:16 PM; Joseph Collar opposed the bill, arguing that it shifts public funding from public to private education, which he sees as radical and non-traditional. He criticized the program for undermining local autonomy and the efforts of those involved in public school systems. As a child of immigrants, he valued the diversity and integration that public schools provide, arguing against the silo effect that might result from increased privatization. He spoke in favor of public schools and against the bill's proposal to fund private education choices with public money.
HB115: Megan Davis, recipient of the EFA Support02:11:05.800 - 1:56:01 PM; Megan Davis shared her personal experience as a recipient of the Education Freedom Account (EFA), highlighting the benefits it has provided for her daughter's education at Dublin Christian School. She emphasized that without the EFA, her daughter would not have been able to attend the school due to financial constraints. Davis praised the high educational standards at Dublin Christian, noting her daughter's significant academic progress. Additionally, she mentioned that the EFA funding allows her daughter to participate in extracurricular activities like gymnastics, which would not be possible otherwise. Davis also touched on the financial challenges her family faced with private schooling and college savings, and briefly mentioned her research on transgenderism among Generation Z, which she acknowledged might be off-topic.
HB115: Hope Vaps, former Portsmouth School Board member Oppose02:13:56.280 - 1:58:52 PM; Hope Vaps, representing herself as a mother of three and a former Portsmouth School Board member, spoke in opposition to the bill. She emphasized the importance of public schools in providing education and social services to all students, regardless of their background. Vaps argued that public schools are crucial for addressing diverse student needs and criticized the voucher program for diverting funds away from public schools, which she believes are already underfunded and struggling to close learning gaps post-pandemic. She highlighted that the majority of EFA recipients were already attending non-public schools, and argued that defunding public schools would increase the financial burden on local communities and diminish the state's competitiveness.
HB115: Glenn Cordelli, State Representative from Carroll 7, Tuftonboro, Wolfeboro, and Ossipee Support02:16:14.880 - 2:01:10 PM; State Representative Glenn Cordelli expressed support for the EFA program, citing the importance of parental control and accountability in education. He referenced historical and legal precedents to argue for parental rights in choosing educational paths for their children. Cordelli suggested that school choice could enhance competition and improve public school performance, referencing studies that support this view. He addressed concerns about state audits by explaining that the Children's Scholarship Fund undergoes annual audits, and the Department of Education conducted a compliance audit with minimal issues. He also discussed the accountability of public schools, questioning their proficiency levels despite high graduation rates.
HB115: Unnamed Speaker, possibly a committee member Information Only02:19:18.959 - 2:04:14 PM; An unnamed speaker, likely a committee member, asked Representative Cordelli about the state's ability to audit the EFA program. Cordelli responded by detailing the annual audits conducted by the Children's Scholarship Fund and the Department of Education's compliance audit, mentioning that a small percentage of accounts were examined, with most issues being resolved promptly.
HB115: Unnamed Speaker, possibly a committee member Information Only02:21:38.560 - 2:06:34 PM; Another unnamed speaker, likely a committee member, questioned Representative Cordelli about the educational standards met by homeschooling parents using EFAs. Cordelli explained that the law requires parents to provide education in core subjects and discussed the accountability of public schools in relation to state proficiency levels.
HB115: Unnamed Speaker, possibly a committee member Information Only02:23:57.560 - 2:08:53 PM; An unnamed speaker, likely a committee member, asked Representative Cordelli about the use of EFAs to fund religious schools, referencing Article 83 of the New Hampshire State Constitution. Cordelli argued that public money goes to parents, not schools, and referenced legal precedents to support his position that excluding religious schools would be unconstitutional.
HB115: Unnamed Speaker, possibly a committee member Information Only02:28:01.399 - 2:12:57 PM; Another unnamed speaker, likely a committee member, questioned Representative Cordelli about the effectiveness of schools receiving EFAs, asking about public scrutiny and accreditation. Cordelli mentioned that private schools receiving EFA students are listed and approved by the Department of Education, and suggested contacting the schools for performance reports.
HB115: Unnamed Speaker, possibly a committee member Information Only02:29:01.560 - 2:13:57 PM; An unnamed speaker, likely a committee member, followed up on the issue of taxpayer dollars funding religious schools. Representative Cordelli reiterated his position that taxpayer dollars go to parents, who then make private choices about their children's education.
HB115: Unnamed Speaker, possibly a committee member Information Only02:29:01.560 - 2:13:57 PM; The speaker concluded their testimony with a discussion on whether public school budgets have been cut as a result of the program in question. They mentioned not being aware of any public school receiving less money than entitled under current state law, but acknowledged adjustments in grants like hold harmless or extraordinary needs could have been made. The discussion involved clarification around state grants versus local school budgets, with a mention of a statewide education property tax cut affecting school districts' collections.
HB115: Louise Spencer, from Concord, NH, Co-founder of Ken Street Coalition Oppose02:33:32.359 - 2:18:28 PM; Louise Spencer expressed opposition to the bill, emphasizing the importance of public schools and their role in communities. She criticized the narrative that public schools are failing and stressed the state's lack of adequate funding for public education. Spencer highlighted that without proper funding, the needs of every child cannot be met, and she called for a conversation about school vouchers only after the state has fulfilled its obligations to public education.
HB115: Hannah Kastlering, from Manchester, NH, Sixth Grade Student Support02:36:28.439 - 2:21:24 PM; Hannah Kastlering, a sixth-grade student from Manchester, shared her positive experience with the EFA program. She explained how the program allowed her to engage in a swim program, explore new subjects like sewing and playing the accordion, and join a co-op school. Hannah expressed her hope to become a police officer and encouraged the committee to support the bill for the benefit of kids like her.
HB115: Lewis Esposito, Executive Director of AEL New Hampshire Oppose02:38:45.920 - 2:23:41 PM; Lewis Esposito, speaking as the Executive Director of AEL New Hampshire, opposed the bill due to concerns about its impact on students with disabilities. He explained that school choice programs could lead to the loss of legal protections under the IDEA, potentially increasing segregation and reducing access to necessary services in private schools. Esposito also highlighted the inequities such programs may create for lower-income families and the lack of inclusive practices in private schools participating in EFA programs.
HB115: Special Education Teacher Information Only02:42:21.800 - 2:27:17 PM; The special education teacher discussed the oversight provided in public schools for students with IEPs, emphasizing that it involves a full team decision-making process under IDEA. They highlighted the importance of including the student and family in the team, ensuring education in the least restrictive environment, and maintaining constant meetings and check-ins to cater to the diverse needs of students.
HB115: Owen Blood, Senior at Keene Regional High School Support02:44:00.120 - 2:28:56 PM; Owen Blood, a senior at Keene Regional High School, advocated for the support of public schools in New Hampshire. He shared his personal experience, crediting public education for shaping his identity and development. He expressed concerns about the potential negative impact of expanding the state voucher program, arguing it could lead to insufficient funding for public schools, particularly in districts with already low funding. He urged consideration for the 90% of students in public schools and stressed the importance of equitable education and adequate funding to ensure all students have the resources needed to succeed.
HB115: Carmela Penza, Rochester, NH Support02:46:53.359 - 2:31:49 PM; Carmela Penza, a 17-year-old from Rochester, NH, supported HB 115, explaining her need for an EFA due to a severe medical condition that prevents her from attending traditional schools. She highlighted the difficulties her family faced in getting educational services covered by the district and stressed the importance of the EFA in hiring a tutor to complete her high school education. She also suggested improvements to the EFA program, including a shift to a 529 savings plan model to promote transparency, accountability, and school choice.
HB115: Heather Robar, Merrimack Community Oppose02:49:23.160 - 2:34:19 PM; Heather Robar from the Merrimack community opposed HB 15, arguing that the existing voucher program lacks oversight and transparency and should not be expanded. She emphasized the importance of public tax dollars supporting public schools, which are already underfunded and struggling to provide necessary services. She expressed concerns about the fiscal irresponsibility of expanding the EFA program, particularly in light of New Hampshire's failure to comply with court rulings on equitable education funding.
HB115: Jenna Karen, Sunapee Oppose02:51:07.960 - 2:36:03 PM; Jenna Karen, a recent graduate from Sunapee Middle High School and now a student at Binghamton University, expressed strong opposition to HB115. She highlighted her success as a product of New Hampshire's public schools and argued that the bill would divert significant resources away from public education. She noted that the proposed changes would cost over $100 million annually, negatively impacting vital programs like technical education centers, special education, school building aid, and safety grants. Karen pointed out that over 75% of voucher recipients were not previously enrolled in public schools, suggesting the program primarily subsidizes private and homeschool education rather than assisting public students. She also raised concerns about the lack of oversight, financial audits, and mandatory assessments for the voucher program, questioning its accountability and equity. Additionally, she mentioned the potential harm to students with disabilities who might lose critical protections under disability laws. Karen concluded by citing studies that show voucher programs negatively impact student outcomes in math and reading, urging the committee to reject HB115 and continue investing in public schools.
HB115: Tom Manu, Hillsboro Support02:54:07.640 - 2:39:03 PM; Tom Manu from Hillsboro spoke in favor of HB115, emphasizing the success of the EFA program due to market forces providing superior educational options at a reduced cost. He contrasted this with government-run schools, which he believes burden taxpayers with high costs and offer diminishing returns. Manu argued that expanding the EFA program would allow parents more educational choices without means testing, similar to public school admissions. He urged the committee to vote 'ought to pass' on HB115, advocating for the free market approach to education.
HB115: Sarah Mena Smith, Penacook Oppose02:56:18.880 - 2:41:14 PM; Sarah Mena Smith from Penacook, a retired teacher with experience in both public and private schools, opposed HB115. She shared her experiences evaluating homeschool students and the need for all students to be evaluated, not just those in public schools. Smith expressed concerns about the potential for public schools to face lawsuits due to inadequate support for students, similar to past cases. She opposed the use of public funds for private education without accountability and called for more funding for public schools, directly appealing to her representative to support public school budgets.
HB115: Caitlyn Bernier, Marlborough Oppose02:58:50.600 - 2:43:46 PM; Caitlyn Bernier from Marlborough opposed HB115, citing her concerns as a parent of children in public education, one of whom is in special education. She highlighted the detrimental impact of the bill on public school funding during budget season and the potential cost to the state of expanding voucher eligibility. Bernier stressed the importance of prioritizing funding for special education and public education, criticizing the proposed expansion of the EFA program for depleting the education trust fund and increasing taxpayer burdens. She supported the current EFA program with income limits but opposed the changes proposed in HB115, arguing that public education users should not face further funding cuts and tax increases.
HB115: Sarah Scott, Americans for Prosperity Support03:01:23.200 - 2:46:19 PM; Sarah Scott, Deputy State Director for Americans for Prosperity in New Hampshire, testified in support of HB115, which aims to expand Education Freedom Accounts (EFAs) to every student in the state. She emphasized the importance of empowering families to choose the best education path for their unique children, as families understand their children's needs best. Scott shared her personal connection to New Hampshire, mentioning that many of her friends left the state due to the high cost of living and lack of educational options. She highlighted the struggles of families who stayed, who are seeking affordable and effective educational environments for their children. Scott concluded by noting the importance of educational choice in families' decisions to remain in New Hampshire.
HB115: Susan Spence, Dover Oppose03:04:13.239 - 2:49:09 PM; Susan Spence, a resident of Dover and former education librarian, expressed opposition to HB115. She focused her testimony on the potential impact of the bill on special education programs. Spence highlighted a significant reduction in state aid to special education, from 98.3% in 2023 to 67.5% currently, which poses a particular challenge for rural schools. She criticized the lack of increase in the state's special education budget and questioned the effectiveness of vouchers as a solution, citing research that showed no improvement in student achievement with voucher systems. Spence also raised concerns about the transparency and cost-effectiveness of the voucher program, suggesting it would not cover the shortfall in special education aid.
HB115: Adam Havock, Hudson Support03:08:42.880 - 2:53:38 PM; Adam Havock, a resident of Hudson, spoke in support of Universal Education Freedom Accounts. He shared his personal situation, mentioning that his family's income is slightly above the current eligibility for EFAs, preventing them from sending their children to a preferred local private school. Havock advocated for a flexible education funding system that allows parents to choose the best educational path for their children, whether it be public, private, or homeschooling. He argued that EFAs would improve academic outcomes, increase efficiency, and promote accountability and transparency in the education system by allowing funding to follow the student.
HB115: Representative Ross Barry, Weare and Goffstown Support03:10:39.960 - 2:55:35 PM; Representative Ross Barry, representing Weare and Goffstown, spoke in favor of HB115, emphasizing that public education should not be income-tested, similar to how public schools operate. He shared his personal experience of being moved from public to private school due to unmet educational needs and the financial strain it caused his family. Barry argued that education funding should follow the student, not the system, and he supported the idea of parents choosing the best educational path for their children, including religious schools. He responded to questions about accountability by suggesting that public schools should be held accountable first, given their higher costs and lower performance in some areas.
HB115: Unidentified Speaker Information Only03:16:27.479 - 3:01:23 PM; The speaker discusses their volunteer work with SNAP Outreach, mentioning how they often encounter people who are just above the income guidelines for certain programs like SNAP. They raise a question about the potential elimination of income eligibility for programs like SNAP, TANF, and fuel assistance, but the response focuses on the broader issue of benefit cliffs in the context of childcare scholarships and education, indicating no support for eliminating income eligibility for those other programs.
HB115: Janet Ward, Vice President of the League of Women Voters of New Hampshire Oppose03:18:38.960 - 3:03:34 PM; Janet Ward opposes the bill, arguing that public schools are essential for democracy and that the voucher program misuses taxpayer money. She criticizes the lack of oversight on how voucher funds are spent and compares it to taxation without representation, suggesting it could lead to a citizen's revolt against school vouchers.
HB115: Karen Leo Hill, Executive Counselor for District 2, Lebanon Oppose03:21:27.520 - 3:06:23 PM; Karen Leo Hill, speaking as an executive counselor and former mayor of Lebanon, opposes the bill on behalf of taxpayers. She argues that state budget cuts lead to increased local property taxes, and the voucher program would further strain local finances, which she believes taxpayers cannot afford.
HB115: Doris Henzy, Nashua Oppose03:23:06.840 - 3:08:02 PM; Doris Henzy, a mother of six homeschooled children and former Nashua School Board member, opposes the bill. She criticizes the legislature for overregulating public schools, leading to higher property taxes and loss of local control. She argues against funding private schools, stating it's not a constitutional duty and sees the school choice movement as an agenda pushed by external entities rather than a grassroots movement.
HB115: Lukie, Nashua Support03:26:11.960 - 3:11:07 PM; Lukie shared a personal story from 71 years ago about their first-grade experience where their teacher, Miss Tui, was absent due to illness for the entire year. They emphasized the importance of providing an adequate education for students, even if it means finding alternatives to public schools when they fail to meet a student's needs. Lukie supports the bill as a necessary 'Escape Route' for students.
HB115: Clayton Wood, Marlow Support03:26:57.560 - 3:11:53 PM; Clayton Wood expressed support for the bill and the existing EFA laws, suggesting improvements to make them more accessible. He highlighted the issue of EFAs not covering full replacement costs for private schooling, which burdens parents financially regardless of their income. Wood proposed 'town EFAs' as a solution, using Marlow as an example, where implementing such a system could reduce property taxes by significantly cutting the school budget. He suggested that towns could decrease payments to school districts and manage reimbursements or flat fees, potentially including homeschooling in the scheme.
HB115: Kitty Motti, Derry Support03:30:50.800 - 3:15:46 PM; Kitty Motti spoke in favor of the bill, emphasizing its alignment with New Hampshire's constitutional obligation to provide an adequate education. As a homeschooling parent who benefited from the EFA program, Motti argued that the bill would help students who have no other funding options. She stressed the importance of expanding the EFA program to meet the needs of students, whether they choose private schooling or homeschooling.
HB115: Ann Osborne, Homeschool Learning Center Support03:32:34.560 - 3:17:30 PM; Ann Osborne, a student instructor and homeschooler, urged support for HB 115 to expand educational choices, particularly for middle-class families. She shared her personal journey through various educational pathways, emphasizing the need for universal EFAs to level the playing field. Osborne criticized opponents within the homeschool community for wanting to limit school choice to wealthier families and argued that the bill would provide necessary opportunities for middle-class students.
HB115: David Trumble, Alstead Oppose03:34:52.960 - 3:19:48 PM; David Trumble opposed the bill on two grounds: its impact on the constitutional duty to fund public schools and the lack of universal choice it offers. He argued that the state's responsibility is to fully fund public education, not private schools, referencing the Claremont decision and the Carson v. Makin case. Trumble highlighted that certain groups, such as special education students, English language learners, children in poverty, and LGBTQ students and families, would be excluded or disadvantaged under the proposed voucher system. He emphasized that public schools offer a truly universal option and warned about the potential draining of the education trust fund, which could negatively affect public school funding.
HB115: Sandra May, Hanover Oppose03:41:07.560 - 3:26:03 PM; Sandra May expressed concerns about the impact of education vouchers on public schools and property taxes. She shared her personal experience of building an ADU to help with property taxes upon retirement and to aid in the housing crisis. May argued that expanding vouchers to all, regardless of need, diverts funds from public schools, which could lead to increased property taxes and reduced home ownership opportunities. She questioned the message being sent to young people and families considering moving to New Hampshire, emphasizing the importance of strong public schools and equitable funding. She also highlighted the need for more tradespeople in the state.
HB115: Matthew Greo, Litchfield Support03:43:44.040 - 3:28:40 PM; Matthew Greo, a college student at Saint Anselm College, supported the bill by arguing that Education Freedom Accounts (EFAs) are crucial for educational freedom. He believes removing income limits would help New Hampshire achieve a stronger, freer education system. Greo stated that EFAs allow parents to direct their tax dollars towards the best learning environment for their child, breaking the public education monopoly. He also argued that EFAs could improve public schools by introducing competition, thereby encouraging them to prioritize quality and efficiency.
HB115: James Tibo, Franklin and Northfield Support03:46:05.239 - 3:31:01 PM; Representative James Tibo, speaking from personal experience, supported the bill. He shared how public schools failed his special needs sisters, leading his family to seek alternative education options like charter schools and homeschooling with private instructors. Tibo credits EFAs for enabling his younger sister's success in math. He argued that EFAs offer cost-effective education options to taxpayers and are crucial for students in struggling public schools, advocating for funding students rather than systems.
HB115: Bonnie Bruno, Hollis Oppose03:48:35.040 - 3:33:31 PM; Bonnie Bruno opposed the expansion of Education Freedom Accounts, arguing that she does not want to subsidize private, religious, or homeschooling options as a taxpayer. She prefers to fund public schools directly and criticized the lack of public oversight and accountability in private education. Bruno shared personal anecdotes about bullying in private schools and the success of a friend's son in public school. She also expressed concerns about the separation of church and state and the allocation of tax dollars to programs not benefiting the commonwealth.
HB115: Kelly Diver Information Only03:51:42.439 - 3:36:38 PM; Kelly Diver's testimony was cut off in the provided transcript, and thus, only her introduction was available. No further details on her stance or testimony were given.
HB115: Unnamed Speaker from Danville, New Hampshire Support03:51:49.760 - 3:36:45 PM; The speaker from Danville, New Hampshire expressed support for HB115 FN, emphasizing the need for Education Freedom Accounts (EFAs). They criticized public school systems for mismanagement of funds, citing an example where the budget increased by 15% with a $16 million surplus yet spent on non-essential items like tennis lights and an irrigation pond with a decorative boat. They argued that despite increased spending, student performance has not improved, and they highlighted the efficiency of EFAs in educating their child at a lower cost compared to public schools. They urged the committee to support the bill.
HB115: Mike King from Deering, New Hampshire Support03:53:22.080 - 3:38:18 PM; Mike King from Deering, New Hampshire supported HB115 FN by comparing public schools to failing businesses. He argued that public perception sees schools as failing academically and morally, with rising administrative costs. He discussed the trend towards micro-schools and homeschooling, predicting that by 2030, 30% of American students might be homeschooled. He believed that New Hampshire's Education Freedom initiatives would attract strong families from New England, enhancing the state's economy.
HB115: Judah King from Deering, New Hampshire Support03:55:27.359 - 3:40:23 PM; Judah King from Deering, New Hampshire spoke in support of school choice and HB115 FN. He shared his personal benefits from the Education Freedom Account, which helped him advance in reading, writing, math, and allowed him to take drum lessons. His siblings also benefited, with his sister taking horse lessons and his brother purchasing music software. He expressed his interest in entrepreneurship, crediting the EFA for his learning.
HB115: Curtis Register from Durham, New Hampshire Oppose03:58:36.359 - 3:43:32 PM; Curtis Register from Durham, New Hampshire opposed HB115 FN, describing it as a bad faith bill that would erode resources and trust in public schools. As a product of public education and a veteran, he argued that public schools in New Hampshire outperform those in North Carolina and criticized the bill for potentially increasing taxes, exacerbating teacher shortages, risking fraudulent schools, and undermining the quality of public education. He called for investment in public education for all residents, not just a select few.
HB115: Representative Yury Polozov, Merrimack - District 10 : Dunbarton, Hooksett Support04:02:00.040 - 3:46:56 PM; Jody Underwood from May, Mark Hook, Buton supported HB115 FN, arguing that it would encourage rich parents to contribute more to education, creating competition and excellence. They noted that rich parents currently benefit from free public education, which is costly for taxpayers. They believed the bill would incentivize these parents to use EFAs, reducing the financial burden on public schools and benefiting taxpayers.
HB115: Amanda Weeden, Home Education Advocate Oppose04:05:09.159 - 3:50:05 PM; Amanda Weeden, a home education advocate and Republican voter, opposed HB115 FN, calling it fiscally irresponsible. She criticized the lack of accurate fiscal arguments in support of the bill and highlighted that over 70% of EFA participants were already paying for their educational choices. As a low-income family, she qualified for the EFA but rejected it on principle, arguing against taxpayer funding for private education choices. She expressed concern over potential tax increases and accountability issues if the bill passed.
HB115: Laura Vincent, Louden, New Hampshire Oppose04:12:12.159 - 3:57:08 PM; Laura Vincent from Louden, New Hampshire, argued against HB115, emphasizing that the bill should be defeated to maintain educational opportunities for New Hampshire's children. She criticized the Education Freedom Account (EFA) program for not providing sufficient funds for families to afford private or parochial school tuition, making it ineffective for low-income families. Vincent highlighted that EFAs primarily benefit families whose children already attend non-public schools. She discussed the wide range of special education needs, from minimal support like tutoring to complex needs requiring full-time assistance and specialized therapies. Vincent pointed out that while some private schools can handle minimal needs, they often cannot provide the extensive services required by students with severe disabilities, such as those needing instruction in Braille or American Sign Language. She concluded that students lose their right to special education services upon withdrawing from public schools.
HB115: Kathleen Slover, Portsmouth, New Hampshire Oppose04:15:07.600 - 4:00:03 PM; Kathleen Slover from Portsmouth shared a personal story about her son's experience with ADHD and a non-verbal learning disability in public school. Initially struggling, her son received support through an Individualized Education Program (IEP), which helped him improve significantly over time. Slover explained how private schools and homeschooling were not suitable options for her son due to their inability to accommodate his needs. By his sophomore year, her son had transformed into a confident and successful student, crediting the public school system for his growth. She opposed HB115, arguing that diverting funds from public schools would negatively impact the majority of New Hampshire students who rely on public education.
HB115: David Flater, Somersworth, Strafford County, New Hampshire Oppose04:20:25.040 - 4:05:21 PM; David Flater from Somersworth, a college freshman, opposed HB115, sharing his positive experience with public education. He highlighted the quality of teaching and the opportunities he received at Somersworth High School, which prepared him for college. Flater emphasized that public schools can and do educate students to a high standard, offering opportunities for student involvement in school governance. He argued that the issues some people have with public schools cannot be resolved by simply moving to private schools, which do not report to the state. Flater credited his confidence and readiness for college to his public school education.
HB115: Jamal Connell, Vice Chair of the Manchester Board of School Committee, Manchester, New Hampshire Oppose04:22:43.040 - 4:07:39 PM; Jamal Connell, representing the Manchester Board of School Committee, opposed HB115, arguing that voucher systems, including the EFA, are not supported by the committee. He criticized the lack of accountability in the EFA program, citing a study where a significant percentage of accounts had errors and funds were misused for non-educational expenses. Connell highlighted the financial strain on the state and argued that the bill would only benefit families above the median income, not those most in need. He discussed the extensive special education services provided by Manchester public schools, including transportation and external services costing millions annually. Connell concluded that if public education is as flawed as some claim, the focus should be on improving it rather than diverting funds to private options.
HB115: Simita Thur, Exeter, New Hampshire Oppose04:27:24.800 - 4:12:20 PM; Simita Thur expressed initial enthusiasm for the universal education Freedom accounts proposed in HB115, believing it would benefit all. However, upon reviewing the bill's wording, she realized it does not universally apply and primarily benefits wealthier families. She highlighted that the voucher amounts are insufficient for covering tuition and expenses at most private schools and do not include transportation costs. Thur also raised concerns about potential budget cuts mentioned by Governor Kelly, questioning how the increased costs would be covered, possibly through increased property taxes or reduced school programs, which would disproportionately affect lower-income families. She specifically mentioned her children's benefits from programs like music and art at Cooperative Middle School in Stratham, New Hampshire, and urged opposition to HB115.
HB115: Su Hannan, Derry, New Hampshire Oppose04:30:55.319 - 4:15:51 PM; Su Hannan, an educator from Derry, spoke against HB115, criticizing voucher schemes for diverting funds from public schools, which she described as transparent and accountable. She questioned the lack of accountability for private schools receiving taxpayer money and the potential impact of reduced state funding on local property taxes. Hannan pointed out that in districts like Manchester, with a tax cap, service cuts would be deep. She also mentioned the issue of students returning to public schools after attending private or charter schools, with no financial return to the public system, thus costing taxpayers twice.
HB115: Brian Betancourt, Hopkinton, New Hampshire Support04:34:05.400 - 4:19:01 PM; Brian Betancourt supported HB115, emphasizing the removal of the income test for Education Freedom Accounts (EFA). As a father and small business owner, he shared his family's struggle to find suitable education within their public school system, leading them to create a micro-school. He argued that the current income limit of $131,000 in 2025 would exclude hardworking families like his, who face high living costs in New Hampshire. Betancourt highlighted that the income test discourages skilled workers from full-time work, exacerbating labor shortages. He noted the cost savings of EFA over public school spending in Hopkinton, suggesting a significant reduction in educational costs for his family.
HB115: Claudia Estel, Alstead, New Hampshire Oppose04:36:25.438 - 4:21:21 PM; Claudia Estel, a retired educator from Alstead, opposed HB115, emphasizing the importance of public schools as the bedrock of democracy and economic equality. She shared her experience teaching in Sullivan County, highlighting the community's pride in its schools despite budget challenges. Estel argued that budget cuts, often unseen by the public, undermine the quality of education. She expressed concern that HB115 would exacerbate income inequality by subsidizing private education for wealthier families, while not significantly helping those from financially strapped backgrounds.
HB115: Lisa Goodwin, Principal at Cornerstone Christian Academy, Hopkinton, New Hampshire Support04:40:43.400 - 4:25:39 PM; Lisa Goodwin, a principal and retired public school teacher from Hopkinton, supported HB115, advocating for a 'whatever it takes' mindset to meet the unique needs of all children. She shared stories of students who found public schools unsuitable, emphasizing the need for alternative education options. Goodwin noted that many families at her school struggle to access funding due to income limits, and stressed the importance of considering individual family circumstances beyond income. She acknowledged the challenges in providing special education services due to limited resources but expressed a commitment to doing their best within their constraints.
HB115: Katherine Abbott, Portsmouth, New Hampshire Oppose04:46:21.440 - 4:31:17 PM; Katherine Abbott, a traditional home educator from Portsmouth, opposed HB115, distinguishing between homeschooling and EFAs. As a single mother living below the federal poverty guidelines, she emphasized her ability to provide a quality education without government funding. Abbott argued that universal EFAs would not give parents a choice they already have, but would increase taxes and government oversight. She expressed concerns about potential negative impacts on New Hampshire's tax structure and educational freedom, citing examples from other states like South Dakota and Arizona, and urged fiscal responsibility in voting against universal EFAs.
HB115: Dave Dew, Candia, New Hampshire Oppose04:49:04.520 - 4:34:00 PM; Dave Dew expressed opposition to lifting the cap on the Education Freedom Account (EFA) program. He highlighted the existence of expensive private schools in New Hampshire and questioned the fairness of using taxpayer money to fund EFAs for families earning hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars. He argued that public schools are underfunded and suggested that more money should be directed towards them, referencing a report by Governor Sununu showing that state aid to education has not kept pace with inflation over the past 15 years. He emphasized the importance of public schools as the backbone of the state's educational system.
HB115: Rina Pettit, Litchfield, New Hampshire Oppose04:52:26.600 - 4:37:22 PM; Rina Pettit presented a petition with 35 signatures opposing House Bill 115. She argued that the state has a constitutional obligation to fund public education adequately, referencing court decisions that affirm this requirement. She highlighted the funding gap between state contributions and the actual cost of education, which has driven high property taxes. She criticized the potential cost of the EFA program expansion and stressed the need for the legislature to develop an equitable school funding solution that benefits public schools and provides property tax relief.
HB115: Deborah H, President of the American Federation of Teachers New Hampshire Oppose04:55:23.360 - 4:40:19 PM; Deborah H opposed HB115, arguing that the New Hampshire Constitution guarantees every child the right to a robust public education. She emphasized the state's obligation to fund public schools fully, especially given decreasing revenues and predicted budget shortfalls. She criticized the voucher program as an unaffordable 'want' that diverts limited resources from the necessary funding of public education, which she described as a 'have to.'
HB115: Representative Christine Cyber, Manchester, New Hampshire Oppose04:58:04.160 - 4:43:00 PM; Representative Christine Cyber expressed concerns about the expansion of the voucher program under HB115, focusing on the lack of accountability and transparency. She mentioned the difficulty in accessing audit information necessary for making informed decisions about the program's expansion. She also highlighted the impact on taxpayers without children, especially those on fixed incomes, noting that the expansion could lead to increased property taxes. She advocated for fully funding public education instead of expanding the voucher program.
HB115: Brian Hawkins, representing NEA New Hampshire Oppose05:00:37.520 - 4:45:33 PM; Brian Hawkins spoke in opposition to House Bill 115, emphasizing the state's constitutional obligation to provide adequate public education. He criticized the bill for potentially diverting public funds to private voucher education, citing Arizona's experience where such a program led to a significant budget deficit and cuts in higher education funding. Hawkins argued that instead of funding a second education system, the focus should be on improving public schools where the majority of students attend. He highlighted issues such as reducing class sizes, solving the educator shortage, and adequately funding special education as priorities over supporting private schools.
HB115: Roger Bleau, Nashua, New Hampshire Oppose05:04:53.080 - 4:49:49 PM; Roger Bleau, a lifelong resident of New Hampshire and a veteran, expressed his opposition to the bill despite having attended Catholic schools himself. He shared his personal experiences, noting that his Catholic education was funded through private means like bingo, not public funds. Bleau emphasized his satisfaction with the public education his children received in Manchester, citing specific instances where public school teachers positively impacted his family. He criticized the state legislature for not adequately funding education as required by the Constitution and suggested raising taxes, including a sales or income tax, to meet educational needs and support all children.

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