Committee Summary for House Environment and Agriculture (02/18/2025)

Bill/Time	Type	Title	Sponsor
HB2 00:03:40.400 - 8:32:36 AM	General Working Session	relative to the establishment of a solid waste site evaluation committee	Likely Text to Speech Error on Bill #
HB150 2024-1453h 00:08:58.200 - 8:37:54 AM	General Working Session	enabling homestead operations to use commercial kitchen equipment in preparing food for sale.	Comtois, Barbara(R)[A]2024
HB307 00:10:32.839 - 8:39:28 AM	General Working Session	relative to the food production area for homestead food.	Bixby, Peter(D)[CT]2024
HB479 00:16:18.800 - 8:45:14 AM	General Working Session	establishing a committee to study the use and problems associated with regulating the distribution and disposal of certain solid waste within landfills and transfer centers.	Parshall, Lucius(D)[CT]2024
HB77 00:17:54.160 - 8:46:50 AM	General Working Session	prohibiting businesses from scanning individuals' licenses when selling alcohol or tobacco products.	Verville, Kevin(R)[B+]2024
HR10 00:21:30.320 - 8:50:26 AM	General Working Session	recognizing the fundamental right to have clean air, clean water, and a healthy environment.	Germana, Nicholas(D)[CT]2024
HB2115 00:23:01.919 - 8:51:57 AM	General Working Session	requiring a landfill permit applicant to submit a report listing potential harms and benefits of the project	Likely Text to Speech Error on Bill #
HB171 01:00:46.799 - 9:29:42 AM	Executive Session	establishing a moratorium on the issuance of permits for new landfills.	Germana, Nicholas(D)[CT]2024
HB479 01:22:18.880 - 9:51:14 AM	Executive Session	establishing a committee to study the use and problems associated with regulating the distribution and disposal of certain solid waste within landfills and transfer centers.	Parshall, Lucius(D)[CT]2024
HR10 2025-D316H 01:26:34.320 - 9:55:30 AM	Executive Session	recognizing the fundamental right to have clean air, clean water, and a healthy environment.	Germana, Nicholas(D)[CT]2024
HB215 2025-0025 01:32:46.480 - 10:01:42 AM	Executive Session	requiring a landfill permit applicant to submit a report listing potential harms and benefits of the project.	Germana, Nicholas(D)[CT]2024
HB566 2025-429H 01:38:48.840 - 10:07:44 AM	Executive Session	requiring permit applications for new landfills to contain a detailed plan for leachate management.	Germana, Nicholas(D)[CT]2024
HB150 2025-429H 01:51:28.920 - 10:20:24 AM	Executive Session	enabling homestead operations to use commercial kitchen equipment in preparing food for sale.	Comtois, Barbara(R)[A]2024
HB307 01:53:13.960 - 10:22:09 AM	Executive Session	relative to the food production area for homestead food.	Bixby, Peter(D)[CT]2024
Unclear 01:54:00.159 - 10:22:56 AM	General Working Session	Unclear
HB505 03:33:04.800 - 12:02:00 PM	Public Hearing	allowing the sale of freeze dried foods produced in homestead food operations.	Schamberg, Thomas(D)[CT]2024
HB642 04:42:32.080 - 1:11:28 PM	Public Hearing	allowing the sale of dehydrated meat without a homestead food license.	Aron, Judy(R)[A]2024
HB396 05:10:10.718 - 1:39:06 PM	Public Hearing	exempting meat and meat food products slaughtered and prepared in state for sale in state from certain inspections.	Comtois, Barbara(R)[A]2024

HB2: Chair Information Only00:03:40.400 - 8:32:36 AM; The Chair started the meeting by distributing copies of a section of HB2, the trailer bill, which includes the governor's proposal for establishing a solid waste site evaluation committee. The Chair emphasized the importance of the committee reviewing this section and providing input to the Finance Committee, where HB2 is currently being discussed. The section of interest spans from page 14 to 24 of the bill. The Chair also mentioned potential overlaps with other bills the committee is considering.
HB150 2024-1453h: Representative Ktoa Support00:08:58.200 - 8:37:54 AM; Representative Ktoa presented an amendment to HB150, explaining that the word 'sanitize' was missing from the original bill, which is crucial for food safety. The amendment changes the requirement from 'washed and rinsed' to 'cleaned and sanitized' in food processing areas. This change was distributed to the committee for review.
HB150 2024-1453h: Representative Vix Support00:09:43.839 - 8:38:39 AM; Representative Vix expressed support for the amendment to HB150, stating that it aligns better with food safety practices and would be an improvement to the bill. They plan to support the bill in the upcoming executive session.
HB307: Representative Bixby Information Only00:10:32.839 - 8:39:28 AM; Representative Bixby discussed proposed amendments to HB307, mentioning that Leader Zavos had sent some amendment language. The proposed changes aim to clarify requirements for secondary food production areas, including accessibility to handwashing, sanitary storage, and pet exclusion. They expressed some reservations about changing the term 'potentially hazardous food' to 'time temperature control for safety food' due to concerns over low acid canned items and botulism risk. The amendment will be drafted for the next executive session.
HB479: Representative Penza Information Only00:16:18.800 - 8:45:14 AM; Representative Penza mentioned that they had not yet drafted a letter to the solid waste working group regarding HB479, which the committee wanted to ITL (inexpedient to legislate). They plan to draft the letter that day, with Representative Bixby offering help with drafting.
HB77: Representative Penza Information Only00:17:54.160 - 8:46:50 AM; Representative Penza reported that an amendment to HB77 was close to being ready but not finalized yet. They planned to discuss it further in the next session and provide a draft for review.
HB77: Representative Bixby Information Only00:18:40.400 - 8:47:36 AM; Representative Bixby raised a concern about whether the area at a landfill where leachate is stored and transferred should be required to have a double lining to catch potential spills. They suggested adding this to HB77, and Representative Germana agreed to work on incorporating this into the amendment.
HB77: Representative Germana Information Only00:20:44.360 - 8:49:40 AM; Representative Germana agreed to work with Representative Penza on incorporating language about leachate handling into HB77, stating that it could be done in a few lines and would fit better under HB77, which deals with operations.
HR10: Chair Information Only00:21:30.320 - 8:50:26 AM; The Chair presented an amendment to HR10, which they hoped the committee had reviewed. They planned to move the amendment during the executive session.
HR10: Representative Bixby Support00:22:16.159 - 8:51:12 AM; Representative Bixby expressed a preference for language that uses 'rights' but supported passing the bill regardless of whether it was amended, indicating they would deal with the final disposition in the executive session.
HB2115: Representative Gero Information Only00:23:01.919 - 8:51:57 AM; Representative Gero discussed an amendment to HB2115, which replaces section one of the bill but keeps sections two through five as introduced. The amendment details the process for determining public benefit, including how a third party would be contracted, and expands the list of potential benefits to include economic benefits and infrastructure improvements. They emphasized the importance of balancing potential harms and benefits, clarifying that the bill aims to assess the net benefit to the community, not to prevent landfills from being sited.
HB2115: Representative King Information Only00:27:43.760 - 8:56:39 AM; Representative King asked about the contractors involved in the third-party assessment under HB2115, specifically if they would be local or external organizations. Representative Gero explained that while specific firms weren't named, there are environmental engineering firms that regularly conduct such assessments at state and federal levels.
HB2115: Representative Bixby Information Only00:29:15.559 - 8:58:11 AM; Representative Bixby mentioned Adam Fle, who has provided guidance on environmental regulations and noted that many firms specialize in the kind of cost-benefit analysis proposed in HB2115 due to its common use at federal and state levels.
HB2115: Chair Information Only00:30:27.640 - 8:59:23 AM; The Chair asked about the criteria used by the department to disqualify contractors from a list, indicating a need for clarity on the standards applied.
HB2115: Representative Bixby Information Only00:30:27.640 - 8:59:23 AM; Representative Bixby noted that the department's director suggested the inclusion of disqualification criteria but did not specify them. They committed to follow up for more details.
HB2115: Representative Penza Information Only00:31:13.039 - 9:00:09 AM; Representative Penza emphasized the importance of clear criteria for contractors to avoid wasted time, supporting the need for further clarification.
HB2115: Representative Ger Information Only00:31:13.039 - 9:00:09 AM; Representative Ger agreed with the need for clarification on contractor criteria and noted that the process is a negotiation between applicants and the department.
HB2115: Representative Ktoa Information Only00:32:00.760 - 9:00:56 AM; Representative Ktoa discussed the long-standing use of net public benefit assessments by the industry, even without state requirements. They supported the department's role in determining contractor qualifications but suggested flexibility in the legislation.
HB2115: Representative H Haskins Information Only00:33:36.799 - 9:02:32 AM; Representative H Haskins expressed satisfaction with the amendment and the ongoing work, indicating no need for a formal notification process for permit applications.
HB2115: Representative Bixby Information Only00:35:55.119 - 9:04:51 AM; Representative Bixby clarified that the bill addresses site-specific benefits and harms, ensuring that claims cannot be bundled across multiple locations.
HB2115: Representative Guber Support00:36:56.359 - 9:05:52 AM; Representative Guber expressed support for the evolution of the bill, noting the professional engineering protocols for contractor qualifications align well with the bill's requirements.
HB2115: Representative Penza Information Only00:41:45.560 - 9:10:41 AM; Representative Penza raised concerns about potential conflicts with existing councils and the need for a balanced representation in any new entity, suggesting a future work session to discuss the policy in the budget bill.
HB2115: Representative Bixby Information Only00:44:03.920 - 9:12:59 AM; Representative Bixby agreed with concerns about the evaluation of the governor's suggestions at the end of the process and stressed the importance of focusing on the house's policy position.
HB2115: Chair Information Only00:45:36.119 - 9:14:32 AM; The Chair congratulated the team on their work on HB2115, recognizing their efforts in incorporating public and departmental feedback.
HB2115: Representative Gerana Information Only00:46:21.680 - 9:15:17 AM; Representative Gerana discussed an amendment to HB566, detailing new requirements for leachate management plans and contractual agreements in landfill applications.
HB2115: Representative Ktoa Information Only00:50:08.640 - 9:19:04 AM; Representative Ktoa proposed turning HB153 into a study committee to better address animal cruelty training for law enforcement, with input from various stakeholders. They outlined the committee's mission and suggested a letter to the Commissioner of Safety for immediate action.
HB2115: Representative Penza Information Only00:57:13.200 - 9:26:09 AM; Representative Penza discussed the suggestion from the Chiefs' representative about creating a 5x7 laminated card for law enforcement. This card would serve as a quick reference guide for certain areas of law enforcement. They suggested that this could be a task for either the study committee or the governor's commission to develop in collaboration with law enforcement. The card could include a QR code for easy access to updated laws, which would be a valuable resource for officers.
HB2115: Representative Scully Information Only00:58:16.480 - 9:27:12 AM; Representative Scully supported the idea of studying the issue further to improve current processes and avoid unintended consequences. They suggested exploring the use of telemedicine as a means to have veterinarians available for real-time consultations to enhance the screening process and reduce errors. They expressed strong support for the amendment and planned to vote in favor of it.
HB171: Representative Gruber Information Only01:00:46.799 - 9:29:42 AM; Representative Gruber introduced an amendment to HB171 that modifies the moratorium on the issuance of permits for new landfills. The amendment was written a week ago, and an additional change suggested by the sponsor and co-sponsors was to reduce the moratorium period from five years to three years. The original bill set the moratorium end date as 2030, which would be changed to 2028 under the new amendment. Due to the timing and pending further amendments, the committee decided to recess consideration of this bill until after the vacation week.
HB171: Representative Germana Information Only01:02:47.960 - 9:31:43 AM; Representative Germana reminded the committee of a previous tweak to the bill that changed the handling of applications during the moratorium. The original bill prohibited the acceptance of applications, while the amendment allows the department to accept and evaluate applications for completeness, ensuring that at the end of the moratorium, any applications would be ready for evaluation. They clarified that the moratorium does not apply to expansions of existing landfills, as specified in the amendment.
HB171: Representative Germana Information Only01:02:47.960 - 9:31:43 AM; Representative Germana discussed the ongoing amendment process for HB171. He mentioned working with Representative King to reduce the number of 'whereas' statements to five and modify the resolved language. Additionally, after discussion with Representative Coma, they agreed to remove the first 'whereas', bringing the total to four. The amendment is still in process and expected to be finalized by the following week.
HB479: Representative Penza Oppose01:22:18.880 - 9:51:14 AM; Representative Penza moved to recommend that HB479 be deemed inexpedient to legislate (ITL). He argued that the bill was unnecessary because there is already an active Solid Waste working group that can address these issues. If further action is needed, the working group will report back.
HB479: Representative Wheeler Oppose01:23:26.600 - 9:52:22 AM; Representative Wheeler expressed concerns about microplastics from plastic bags but agreed with Representative Penza that a study committee was not necessary. He noted that the issue has been thoroughly studied and other methods could be used to address the problem.
HB479: Representative Vix Oppose01:24:14.440 - 9:53:10 AM; Representative Vix mentioned constituent support for legislation limiting plastic bags due to microplastics and recycling system interference. However, they agreed that the Solid Waste working group was a better solution to handle these issues.
HB479: Representative Gruber Oppose01:25:01.639 - 9:53:57 AM; Representative Gruber concurred with the sentiments expressed by others, stating that the Plastics working group had engaged in dialogue and that this approach would be the most effective way forward.
HR10 2025-D316H: Representative Penza Support01:26:34.320 - 9:55:30 AM; Representative Penza moved to amend HR10 with amendment 2025-D316H. The amendment changes the original bill by replacing some wording to emphasize the importance of a clean and healthy environment to human health and its impact on fundamental rights. It resolves to support policies promoting clean air, water, and a healthy environment, and to send copies of this resolution to relevant officials.
HR10 2025-D316H: Representative Germana Support01:28:21.639 - 9:57:17 AM; Representative Germana expressed support for the amendment to HR10, stating that he would vote OTPA (ought to pass as amended). He compared the level of commitment to environmental rights to that of other fundamental rights like free speech and the right to bear arms, suggesting that the level of support for environmental rights should be equally strong.
HB215 2025-0025: Representative Germana Information Only01:32:46.480 - 10:01:42 AM; Representative Germana moved amendment 2025-0025 for HB215, which requires a landfill permit applicant to submit a report on potential harms and benefits of the project. He did not provide further details on the amendment in the snippet provided.
HB215 2025-0025: Representative Germana Information Only01:33:09.000 - 10:02:05 AM; Representative Germana explained that the amendment defines the concept of net public benefit for landfill applications. It requires an applicant to demonstrate that the benefits of the proposed facility outweigh the potential harms. An independent third-party contractor, paid for by the applicant, will perform an assessment to help make this determination. If the benefits are found to outweigh the harms, the proposal will proceed to technical review; otherwise, it will not.
HB215 2025-0025: Representative Germana Support01:35:37.360 - 10:04:33 AM; Representative Germana supported the OTPA motion for HB215, emphasizing that the amendment replaces section one of the bill. He highlighted two other features of the bill: it focuses on assessing the benefits of a single location rather than bundling multiple locations, and it provides a more precise definition of 'need' in response to a recent State Supreme Court ruling. The bill requires demonstrating need for at least half of the permitted lifetime of the facility.
HB566 2025-429H: Representative Germana Information Only01:38:48.840 - 10:07:44 AM; Representative Germana introduced an amendment that moved some language from the contractual section to the management plan section of the bill. This change was based on discussions with DES and industry representatives about contractual requirements. The amendment also incorporated suggestions from the solid waste subcommittee, including a requirement for the plan to discuss on-site treatment of leachate and contractual arrangements with at least two facilities.
HB566 2025-429H: Representative Germana Support01:40:51.560 - 10:09:47 AM; Representative Germana moved the OTPA for HB566 and described the collaborative process that led to the bill's development. He highlighted the bipartisan support and the positive discussions with DES, industry, and environmental activists, expressing hope that the strong bill would advance far.
HB566 2025-429H: Representative Ktoa Information Only01:43:03.760 - 10:11:59 AM; Representative Ktoa moved to adopt amendment 2025-429H. They noted that the amendment came about from a collaborative effort involving many groups and was seen as a step forward in addressing issues related to animal cruelty.
HB566 2025-429H: Representative Bixby Information Only01:43:22.239 - 10:12:18 AM; Representative Bixby, co-sponsoring the bill with Representative Ktoa for the second term, expressed satisfaction with the feedback received from stakeholders this term. They highlighted the formation of a study committee as a result of this feedback and planned to send a memo to the Commissioner of the Department of Safety to review animal cruelty statutes.
HB566 2025-429H: Chairwoman Aaron Information Only01:45:43.159 - 10:14:39 AM; Chairwoman Aaron oversaw the voting process on the amendment, which passed unanimously. She then called for a motion on Ought to Pass as Amended (OTPA) for HB566, which also passed unanimously. She discussed the next steps, including vacating the bill from the Finance or Criminal Justice committee and placing it on the consent calendar. She closed the executive session on HB566 and opened and recessed the executive sessions on HB171 and HR13 until March 4th at 10:30 AM due to forthcoming amendments. She also opened the executive session on HB150.
HB566 2025-429H: Representative Ktoa Information Only01:49:21.280 - 10:18:17 AM; Representative Ktoa moved to adopt amendment 2025-0420H for HB150, which was seconded by Representative Wheeler. They explained the amendment changed the wording from 'washed and rinsed' to 'cleaned and sanitized' to emphasize food safety in the context of homestead operations using commercial kitchen equipment.
HB150 2025-429H: Representative Wheeler Information Only01:51:28.920 - 10:20:24 AM; Representative Wheeler seconded the motion to adopt HB150 with amendment 2025-429H, indicating that all points had been adequately discussed and no further comments were necessary.
HB307: Chair Information Only01:53:13.960 - 10:22:09 AM; The chair announced that HB307 could not be executed due to an upcoming amendment and recessed the session until March 4th at 10:30 AM.
Unclear: Chair Information Only01:54:00.159 - 10:22:56 AM; The chair concluded the executive sessions for multiple bills and noted the completion of early bills. They requested committee reports from representatives on specific bills and scheduled future hearings.
Unclear: Representative Germana Information Only01:54:00.159 - 10:22:56 AM; Representative Germana inquired about the progress on early bills, expressing satisfaction with the committee's progress.
Unclear: Representative Haskins Information Only01:56:19.960 - 10:25:15 AM; Representative Haskins expressed concerns about the committee researcher's report on HB152, noting it was deficient in mentioning the opposition from the Fish and Game Department and lacked clarity on insect mitigation.
Unclear: Representative Miner Information Only01:57:34.400 - 10:26:30 AM; Representative Miner acknowledged receiving many bulk emails on the issue, indicating it was hotly contested and anticipated an exciting hearing.
Unclear: Representative Ktoa Information Only01:57:57.560 - 10:26:53 AM; Representative Ktoa mentioned being unable to attend the next hearing but planned to discuss their views during the work session. They also provided a hard copy of a report on the glue trap bill.
Unclear: Representative Penza Information Only01:58:44.800 - 10:27:40 AM; Representative Penza appreciated the committee researcher's report on the glue trap bill, questioned if it was the second time the bill was introduced, and confirmed it was similar to the previous session's bill.
HB505: Representative Tom Shamberg, Wilmot and Sutton Support03:33:04.800 - 12:02:00 PM; Representative Tom Shamberg introduced HB505, which aims to allow the sale of freeze-dried foods produced in homestead operations. He explained that the bill came from constituents Donna and Dave Bates of Bog Mountain Retreat and Suites in Wilmot, who wish to expand their business by freeze-drying ice cream. The bill seeks to amend the homestead cottage law to include freeze-dried items as non-hazardous foods, allowing small-scale food businesses to produce both perishable and non-perishable freeze-dried foods in residential kitchens.
HB505: Representative King Information Only03:36:49.279 - 12:05:45 PM; Representative King clarified that freeze-dried foods are not labeled as hazardous in statute but in rules, and passing the bill would require the Department to change their rules accordingly.
HB505: Donna Bates, Wilmot Support03:37:35.120 - 12:06:31 PM; Donna Bates, from Wilmot, testified in support of HB505. She explained her business's current limitation to freeze-drying non-perishable candies and the desire to expand to ice cream and other perishable items. She detailed the freeze-drying process and the safety measures taken, arguing that the current requirement for a commercial kitchen to expand is unnecessary and costly. Bates suggested a protocol-based approach to allow expansion within the same clean kitchen environment.
HB505: Unknown Speaker, Wilmot Information Only03:43:31.720 - 12:12:27 PM; The speaker begins by addressing the committee, thanking them for their presence and the opportunity to discuss the topic at hand. They inquire about the possibility of freeze drying without specialized equipment, suggesting that it might be feasible to use alternative methods such as an oven. They express concern about public health and the importance of using equipment that measures humidity and moisture for safety. The speaker also discusses their experience with freeze drying, mentioning that they currently produce candy, ice cream, and yogurt for non-commercial purposes, expressing a desire to legally sell these products. They highlight the lengthy and cumbersome process required for freeze drying fruits and meats, which involves sending protocols to Cornell for testing, a process they have not yet pursued due to its complexity. They argue that the same safety protocols applied to freeze drying candy should also apply to other foods, as the process of removing moisture eliminates bacterial threats.
HB505: Unknown Speaker, Wilmot Information Only03:45:04.520 - 12:14:00 PM; The speaker continues discussing their freeze drying business, emphasizing the safety protocols they follow, which are similar to those used in residential and commercial kitchens. They mention that no one has gotten sick from the freeze-dried products they have given as gifts, even during the period they started freeze drying in 2020 due to food allergies. They share an example of safely consuming a two-year-old freeze-dried turkey and argue that the process of freeze drying does not introduce new safety risks if done correctly. They express frustration with the current regulations that require commercial kitchen standards for small-scale freeze drying, which they find unnecessary for their operations.
HB505: Unknown Speaker, Wilmot Information Only03:46:39.600 - 12:15:35 PM; The speaker elaborates on the potential economic impact of being allowed to sell a broader range of freeze-dried foods. They mention receiving numerous requests to sell their freeze-dried ice cream, which they had to decline due to legal restrictions. They believe that the ability to sell these products would significantly increase their income, describing the current situation as a standstill for their business. They argue against the necessity of a commercial kitchen for their small-scale operations, suggesting it's an unnecessary burden.
HB505: Unknown Speaker, Wilmot Information Only03:48:55.080 - 12:17:51 PM; The speaker responds to questions about the safety of freeze-dried food, explaining that common sense protocols are followed to ensure safety, similar to those in a commercial kitchen. They emphasize that the process of freeze drying does not change the safety measures taken, whether in a residential or commercial setting. They assert that the same care and precautions taken with candy would be applied to other foods, ensuring no health risks.
HB505: Unknown Speaker, Wilmot Information Only03:50:24.000 - 12:19:20 PM; The speaker answers questions about their business structure and insurance, confirming they operate as a DBA and have insurance. They suggest that requiring insurance could be a condition for selling expanded freeze-dried products. They also clarify that they do not make their own ice cream but buy it from a trusted source, TMook, to avoid complicating their operations. They explain that they adhere strictly to the original ice cream's ingredients list for packaging, maintaining transparency and simplicity in their process.
HB505: Michelle Roberge, Department of Health and Human Services Information Only03:52:46.479 - 12:21:42 PM; Michelle Roberge, along with Erica Davis from the Department of Health and Human Services, provides testimony on House Bill 505. They explain that the bill aims to amend the definition of potentially hazardous foods to exclude freeze-dried foods. Currently, homestead food operations are not allowed to freeze dry potentially hazardous foods, though non-potentially hazardous foods are permitted. They detail the freeze-drying process, which reduces water activity to prevent harmful microorganism growth, and stress the importance of a processing authority evaluating the process for safety. They express concern over the use of non-commercial equipment in homestead kitchens, which may not produce a consistently safe product. They also mention a 2013 outbreak related to dehydrated meat products, highlighting similar risks with freeze drying if not done properly. The department remains neutral but presents serious concerns about the bill.
HB505: Chair Information Only04:01:32.120 - 12:30:28 PM; The chair references a case study from 2013, questioning if standards, equipment, and technology have changed since then. The chair suggests that equipment used in 2013 might not be as advanced as today's.
HB505: Michelle Roberge, Department of Health and Human Services Information Only04:02:18.399 - 12:31:14 PM; Michelle acknowledges that things have advanced since 2013 but cannot speak to the specifics of equipment changes. She expresses concerns about the differences between commercial and non-commercial equipment, noting that non-commercial equipment might not consistently dry products.
HB505: Representative Kalk Information Only04:02:26.040 - 12:31:22 PM; Representative Kalk discusses a case study involving semilla and a dehydrator, questioning whether the study used a freeze dryer or a dehydrator. The response clarifies it was a dehydrator, but highlights the safety parameters of reducing water activity, which both dehydrating and freeze drying aim to achieve, albeit through different methods.
HB505: Representative King Information Only04:04:04.159 - 12:33:00 PM; Representative King raises concerns about the safety of freeze-dried products, particularly if the food is contaminated before freeze drying. The discussion focuses on the potential for toxins to remain in the product even after freeze drying, highlighting the need for proper processing to ensure safety.
HB505: Representative Bixby Information Only04:08:02.640 - 12:36:58 PM; Representative Bixby seeks clarification on where the line between acceptable and unacceptable practices lies, using examples of blueberry jam and yogurt to illustrate the difference between non-hazardous and potentially hazardous foods when freeze dried.
HB505: Representative Miner Oppose04:09:31.840 - 12:38:27 PM; Representative Miner argues that the focus should be on food that is already processed and acceptable, suggesting that freeze drying such food should be allowed. They express concern about over-regulating small homestead operations, using examples of recalls from large companies to argue their point.
HB505: Michelle Roberge, Department of Health and Human Services Information Only04:10:24.960 - 12:39:20 PM; Michelle responds to the concerns by emphasizing the potential risks introduced by incorrect freeze-drying processes, which can lead to foodborne illnesses. She stresses the importance of a proactive approach to prevent such incidents rather than a reactive one.
HB505: Representative Germana Information Only04:11:33.920 - 12:40:29 PM; Representative Germana questions whether insurance and safeguards in place at homestead operations would be sufficient to handle accidental poisoning, to which Michelle reiterates the need for proactive measures to prevent foodborne illnesses.
HB505: Unknown Speaker Information Only04:13:03.680 - 12:41:59 PM; The speaker discussed the differences between commercial and residential freeze-drying equipment, emphasizing the importance of equipment accuracy in commercial settings for ensuring moisture removal. They highlighted that commercial equipment must meet specific standards to ensure proper usage for retail sales, whereas home equipment is intended for smaller-scale production. The discussion focused on the need for different equipment based on the intended use and scale of production.
HB505: Unknown Speaker Information Only04:14:39.640 - 12:43:35 PM; The speaker explained the variability in freeze-drying processes depending on the food product, noting that each product requires a unique process which cannot be uniformly regulated by law or rule. They stressed the necessity of having experts evaluate the process for each product to ensure safety, indicating that the Department of Health and Human Services lacks the expertise to oversee every product's process individually.
HB505: Unknown Speaker Information Only04:16:14.359 - 12:45:10 PM; The speaker clarified that it is not legal to produce and sell freeze-dried ice cream from a homestead without a commercial facility license. They explained that commercial facilities require inspections, while certain homestead operations might be exempt from licensing and inspections. They also discussed the costs associated with inspections and licensing for producers.
HB505: Representative Scully Information Only04:17:42.520 - 12:46:38 PM; Representative Scully clarified that homesteads are already licensed under the Homestead Food Act but noted that moving to a commercial kitchen for retail sales involves significant costs. They highlighted that certain foods are exempt from licensing under this act, and transitioning to a commercial license for selling in retail settings involves additional regulations.
HB505: Unknown Speaker Information Only04:19:20.920 - 12:48:16 PM; The speaker queried the safety of using commercial-grade freeze dryers at home with manufacturer-recommended recipes, expressing concerns about whether such a setup would be safe outside of a commercial kitchen. They discussed the broader standards of commercial kitchens that contribute to food safety, indicating that safety cannot be guaranteed without these standards.
HB505: Unknown Speaker Information Only04:20:52.080 - 12:49:48 PM; The speaker asked about the thoroughness of inspections for commercial kitchens versus licensed homestead food operations, seeking to understand if a commercial-grade freeze dryer could be used safely at a homestead. They were informed that the safety depends not only on the equipment but also on the product and the process, which must be evaluated to ensure safety parameters are met.
HB505: Representative Wheeler Information Only04:22:08.560 - 12:51:04 PM; Representative Wheeler inquired about the Department of Health and Human Services' process for evaluating legislation. The response focused on assessing public health risks and deciding on a formal position. They discussed a case study that highlighted a low incidence of unsafe practices but expressed concerns about expanding to potentially hazardous foods.
HB505: Representative Penza Information Only04:24:46.279 - 12:53:42 PM; Representative Penza sought clarification on the bill's implications for homestead food licenses and the processing of potentially hazardous foods. They were informed that the concern lies in the process of transforming a potentially hazardous product into a non-potentially hazardous one, emphasizing the need for proper water activity to ensure shelf stability and safety.
HB505: Representative Haskins Information Only04:27:05.840 - 12:56:01 PM; Representative Haskins questioned the safety of freeze-drying candy under a homestead license, comparing it to the risks involved in preparing other foods. The response clarified that candy is a low-risk product, and the concern arises when processing potentially hazardous foods, emphasizing the need for proper processing to ensure safety.
HB505: Chris Norton, Milford Support04:29:23.640 - 12:58:19 PM; Chris Norton testified in support of HB505, sharing his experience attempting to start a small-scale freeze-dried produce business. He explained the challenges of complying with current regulations, including the need for a commissary kitchen and the associated costs and time constraints. Norton highlighted his goal to sell at a farmers' market, supporting local farmers and reducing food waste, and discussed how the bill would help him achieve his dream of starting a business.
HB505: Chris Norton, Milford Information Only04:29:23.640 - 12:58:19 PM; Chris Norton from Milford finished speaking about his processes for developing recipes for freeze-dried fruits, specifically detailing different methods for apples, peaches, and cherries. He mentioned that he follows a framework provided by Health and Human Services for food safety but has developed his own processes for different fruits, which require varying times in the freeze dryer. He also indicated that he would need to send samples for testing to ensure they are sufficiently freeze-dried.
HB642: Representative Aron, Sullivan County District 4, Acworth, Lempster, Langdon, Washington Support04:42:32.080 - 1:11:28 PM; Representative Aron from Sullivan County District 4, representing the towns of Acworth, Lempster, Langdon, and Washington, introduced HB642, which aims to allow the sale of dehydrated meat without a homestead food license. He explained that the bill was inspired by a constituent who raises beef and wants to sell dehydrated meat safely. Aron detailed the historical use of jerky and the scientific principles behind food preservation through drying. He proposed that the bill would help New Hampshire farmers offer more diverse food products and emphasized that the production standards could be reinforced by guidelines on the Health and Human Services website. He also mentioned potential amendments to clarify that the bill pertains to USDA-inspected meat and to limit the amount of meat processed and sold within a specific timeframe.
HB642: Representative J Information Only04:48:52.320 - 1:17:48 PM; Representative J asked Representative Aron for clarification on the temperature range for refrigerating meat as mentioned in the bill, specifically questioning the term 'slightly below' 40°F. Representative Aron responded that the language was taken directly from USDA guidelines and was open to amending it for precision. Representative J also sought clarification on whether meat should be marinated in the refrigerator, to which Aron confirmed it was the safe procedure.
HB642: Representative King Information Only04:50:22.718 - 1:19:18 PM; Representative King posed a philosophical question about the potential risks of decentralizing the food industry, wondering if allowing small producers to enter the market without deep pockets for lawsuits might introduce new risks. Representative Aron argued that there is no downside, citing the benefits observed during the COVID-19 crisis when local farmers provided food during shortages. Aron emphasized the advantages of local control and involvement in food production, suggesting it could enhance food safety and diversity.
HB642: Representative Penza Information Only04:56:50.878 - 1:25:46 PM; Representative Penza asked if the bill was timely given the federal government's focus on supporting local and small farmers. Representative Aron responded affirmatively, highlighting the bill's potential to support New Hampshire's agricultural community by allowing them to offer more diverse products. Aron expressed support for both corporate and local farming, emphasizing the importance of knowing the source of food and supporting local farmers.
HB642: Michelle Roberts, Bureau Chief for Public Health Protection, Department of Health and Human Services, with Erica Davis, Food Protection Section Administrator, Department of Health and Human Services Oppose04:59:46.360 - 1:28:42 PM; Michelle Roberts and Erica Davis from the Department of Health and Human Services testified against HB642. They explained that the bill seeks to create an exemption under RSA 143 A:5 to allow dehydrated meat production without a homestead license. They highlighted the risks associated with dehydrated meat, noting that it is a potentially hazardous food product that requires a specialized process to reduce water activity and prevent harmful microorganism growth. They emphasized that such processes should be conducted in commercial facilities with commercial equipment and require a process authority evaluation prior to sale. Without licensing or inspection, there would be no oversight to ensure the meat's source and safety, which could hinder the department's ability to conduct foodborne illness outbreak investigations. They referenced a 2013 chicken jerky pet treat outbreak to illustrate the potential dangers. In response to questions, they clarified that even with educational training, a process review by experts is necessary to ensure safety, and that labeling requirements alone would not suffice to track tainted products without inspections.
HB396: Representative Barbara Ktoa, Sponsor Support05:10:10.718 - 1:39:06 PM; Representative Barbara Ktoa introduced HB396, emphasizing its importance to small and hobby farmers in New Hampshire. She acknowledged that the bill might require amendments, particularly in labeling and limits, to make it effective. Ktoa highlighted the current challenges farmers face with USDA processing facilities, including long waiting lists and the inability to sell products like smoked bacon if processed at non-USDA inspected facilities. She argued that the bill would provide consumers with more choices and enhance food security in New Hampshire by allowing local meat sales without certain inspections. Ktoa addressed concerns about meat replacement at USDA facilities, presenting a personal experience and photographs as evidence of such issues. She stressed the need for more food processing options to support local food movements and invited questions from the committee.
HB396: Penza Information Only05:17:42.760 - 1:46:38 PM; Penza discussed the issue of meat labeling and potential mislabeling by meat processors. They mentioned hearing about mislabeling in Strafford County and Coos County, indicating concerns about the accuracy of meat labeling and the practices of meat processing facilities. They acknowledged that while some facilities adhere strictly to regulations, others might not, leading to potential issues with meat quality and safety.
HB396: Scully Information Only05:19:56.280 - 1:48:52 PM; Scully raised concerns about the scale of meat distribution under HB396, particularly regarding sales to restaurants, hotels, and grocery stores. They questioned if the bill's provisions for direct sales to consumers could be safely expanded to larger establishments, highlighting the need for inspections at a larger scale to prevent outbreaks and ensure traceability of meat sources.
HB396: Gruber Information Only05:21:40.400 - 1:50:36 PM; Gruber inquired about the availability of state-inspected facilities that could be utilized if HB396 is passed. They noted the high costs and stringent requirements associated with state inspection programs, suggesting that small producers might be left unregulated if the bill passes, relying solely on their practices without oversight.
HB396: Bixby Information Only05:23:11.360 - 1:52:07 PM; Bixby discussed the challenges of establishing USDA-licensed facilities in New Hampshire, citing financial and bureaucratic hurdles as reasons why many choose not to pursue USDA certification. They emphasized that the lack of competition among facilities could lead to poor practices, as there's no market pressure to maintain high standards.
HB396: Penza Information Only05:25:29.878 - 1:54:25 PM; Penza followed up on the discussion about meat sales at farmers' markets, questioning if vendors selling meat cuts are required to use USDA facilities. They highlighted the distinction between selling whole or half animals versus selling cuts, indicating that the latter requires USDA certification, and emphasized that HB396 only pertains to intrastate sales.
HB396: Unidentified Speaker Information Only05:26:48.240 - 1:55:44 PM; The speaker asked Representative Bixby for the definition of a custom meat shop and inquired about inspection requirements. Representative Bixby mentioned that while some facilities are USDA inspected, they are not necessarily USDA facilities. The speaker also urged the committee to consider testimonies from processing facility owners who support the bill but could not attend the hearing, one being from Virginia.
HB396: Representative King Information Only05:28:14.320 - 1:57:10 PM; Representative King asked if USDA meat processors could be considered a cartel, to which the response was uncertain. The chair then announced a three-minute limit on testimonies due to the number of pink slips received.
HB396: Commissioner Shan Jasper, Department of Agriculture Oppose05:29:00.840 - 1:57:56 PM; Commissioner Jasper explained that 96-98% of farms in America are family-owned and produce 85-88% of the food. He strongly opposed HB396, stating that it violates federal law, specifically the Federal Meat Inspection Act amended in 1967 to include interstate commerce. He warned that passing the bill could lead to participants facing misdemeanor charges and fines. Jasper also addressed misconceptions about corporate farms and wait times at slaughterhouses, emphasizing that regular scheduling could mitigate wait times. He highlighted that the bill removes sanitary requirements for poultry processing, which is also illegal under federal law. He urged the committee not to put people at risk and to work with federal delegation to broaden poultry processing regulations instead.
HB396: Representative Bixby Information Only05:32:57.400 - 2:01:53 PM; Representative Bixby asked Commissioner Jasper about the scenario of the federal government removing inspectors, to which Jasper responded that such a scenario was theoretical but would require addressing how inspections would take place.
HB396: Representative King Information Only05:33:32.718 - 2:02:28 PM; Representative King asked if federal law also governs intrastate commerce, which Commissioner Jasper confirmed, referencing the 1967 amendment. King also questioned whether the federal government might take a hands-off approach to state-level violations as seen with medical marijuana, to which Jasper responded that he could not see that happening with food safety, citing a case in Lee, NH, where a farm was shut down for violating federal law.
HB396: Representative Penza Information Only05:35:23.200 - 2:04:19 PM; Representative Penza asked for more details about the case in Lee, NH, and followed up by asking if there might be a shift towards more localized processing due to recent issues with recalls and food safety. Commissioner Jasper responded that he could not speculate on such shifts and emphasized the legal risks of passing the bill, urging legislators to work at the federal level to address these issues.
HB396: Representative Germana Information Only05:37:45.520 - 2:06:41 PM; Representative Germana asked if it would be unwise to base decisions on what a current administration might do, to which Commissioner Jasper agreed, stressing that legislators should uphold the law and not let emotions influence their decisions. He also mentioned his refusal to provide a fiscal note for the bill, considering it a violation of his oath.
HB396: King Information Only05:38:48.638 - 2:07:44 PM; King discusses the complexities of federal and state laws regarding food processing, specifically referencing U.S. Code 21 sections 623 and 464c which relate to meat and poultry products. He emphasizes the importance of understanding these laws thoroughly and highlights the issue of animal supply as a barrier to increasing the number of slaughterhouses. King also addresses the differences in regulations between personal animal slaughter and commercial sales, pointing out the risks and safety considerations involved in each scenario. He notes the traceability measures implemented by the legislature for non-amenable species and expresses a commitment to upholding and potentially changing federal laws to better suit local needs.
HB396: Dan Innis, Senator from Bradford Support05:43:24.958 - 2:12:20 PM; Senator Dan Innis from Bradford supports the bill, framing it as a market access issue. He highlights the challenges small farmers face in getting their products to market due to government regulations. As a marketing professor at UNH and a small farmer himself, Innis argues that local processing would reduce stress on animals and improve product quality. He believes that consumers are smart enough to make informed choices and that local processors have a vested interest in maintaining high standards to retain business. Innis also references the potential for the USDA to provide roving inspectors to custom meat houses, suggesting this could be a way to comply with federal law while supporting small farmers.
HB396: Representative Penza Information Only05:46:31.320 - 2:15:27 PM; Representative Penza inquires about the possibility of amending the bill to comply with federal law while still achieving its goals. He mentions a previous interaction with the USDA regarding roving inspectors, which could potentially be a solution to facilitate small-scale operations. Penza also asks about existing carve-outs for farm-to-table restaurants, indicating interest in understanding how similar operations are managed in other states like Massachusetts.
HB396: Representative King Information Only05:49:17.718 - 2:18:13 PM; Representative King discusses the historical significance of brand names and their importance in the marketplace. He suggests that implementing decentralized food service bills could revive the importance of local brands, allowing small farmers to build regional reputations within New Hampshire. King sees potential for these local brands to gain recognition in local establishments like restaurants.
HB396: Representative Germana Information Only05:51:03.638 - 2:19:59 PM; Representative Germana asks Senator Innis about the potential for amending the bill to consider the scale of operations, particularly in relation to distribution points like restaurants and hotels. He draws parallels with previous legislation on raw milk, where a specific scale was defined. Germana seeks Innis's academic and practical insights on where to draw the line between small and larger operations, to which Innis admits he does not have a definitive answer but highlights existing practices with raw milk as a potential guide.
HB396: Representative Scully Information Only05:52:57.320 - 2:21:53 PM; Representative Scully inquires about a previous interaction with the federal government regarding the bill, asking if the opinion rendered can be made available to the committee. He suggests that the chair could request the document from the commissioner, indicating a desire to evaluate the federal government's stance on the matter.
HB396: Senator Andis Information Only05:53:29.520 - 2:22:25 PM; Senator Andis suggests obtaining another opinion from a new administration on the matter being discussed, indicating a potential need for updated perspectives due to recent changes. The suggestion is met with agreement from the chair, indicating a willingness to consider further information before making decisions.
HB396: Representative James Summers Oppose05:53:59.638 - 2:22:55 PM; Representative Summers expresses opposition to the bill after consulting with Commissioner Jasper and conducting personal research. He notes that the bill aims to repeal RSA 427-D:2-a,1b, but argues that it would still leave RSA 427:2-a,1c in place, which could negate the intended effect of the repeal. He also highlights the complexity of state and federal laws that would be affected by retail sales of meat products, including numerous RSA sections and federal codes, which could lead to penalties if not adhered to.
HB396: Representative King Information Only05:57:03.440 - 2:25:59 PM; Representative King questions Representative Summers about his opposition to the bill, seeking clarification on whether the opposition stems from the complexity of existing laws. Representative Summers confirms his understanding of the bill's intent, which is to allow custom slaughter operations to sell meat directly to consumers, but emphasizes the difficulty in navigating the numerous state and federal regulations that would still apply.
HB396: Representative Potenza Information Only05:58:36.240 - 2:27:32 PM; Representative Potenza asks Representative Summers to clarify whether the mentioned RSA sections would only apply if the meat were sold at retail. Representative Summers confirms that the regulations would indeed apply to retail sales, such as to stores, restaurants, and hotels.
HB396: Sean Bader, Bader Farm Support05:59:22.280 - 2:28:18 PM; Sean Bader, owner of Bader Farm, supports the bill, explaining the challenges small farmers face in selling entire animals. He argues that allowing sales by the cut would enable farmers to better manage their inventory and expand their businesses, while also providing consumers with more flexible purchasing options. Bader compares the proposed exemption for beef, pork, and lamb to the existing exemptions for poultry, questioning the disparity in regulations.
HB396: Representative Bixby Information Only06:02:26.160 - 2:31:22 PM; Representative Bixby asks Sean Bader about the possibility of employing USDA inspectors part-time at custom meat houses, as suggested by Commissioner Jasper. Bader clarifies that even with part-time inspectors, the facility would still need to meet all USDA standards, including infrastructure and safety measures, which would be costly and potentially not cost-effective for small operations.
HB396: Representative Penza Information Only06:04:34.320 - 2:33:30 PM; Representative Penza asks Sean Bader about the longevity of vacuum-sealed meat and the regulations concerning local shops selling meat products. Bader explains that vacuum-sealed meat can last 2 to 3 years and clarifies that under current laws, the name on the animal at the time of slaughter determines where the meat can be sold, except for poultry, which has more lenient regulations.
HB396: Rob Johnson, New Hampshire Federation of Agriculture Oppose06:06:20.958 - 2:35:16 PM; Rob Johnson, representing the New Hampshire Federation of Agriculture, expressed opposition to House Bill 396. He acknowledged agreement with the sponsor's intent but emphasized that the bill conflicts with federal law, which could place farmers at risk of USDA enforcement and insurance issues. He suggested that instead of passing conflicting state laws, the committee should urge the U.S. Congress or the USDA to adopt regulations supporting flexibility in meat inspection, particularly for direct sales from farm to consumer. Johnson referenced past pesticide and food freedom bills as examples of similar conflicts with federal law.
HB396: Amy Matarazzo, Lauren Joyce Farm, Barnstead Support06:10:45.040 - 2:39:41 PM; Amy Matarazzo from Lauren Joyce Farm in Barnstead spoke in support of the bill, highlighting its importance for small farms and food security in New Hampshire. She discussed her experience selling beef directly to consumers and the challenges of limited USDA butchers in the state. Matarazzo shared her negative experiences with both USDA and custom facilities, emphasizing the need for proper guidelines to ensure meat safety. She recounted a particularly distressing experience at a USDA facility where her beef was improperly dry-aged, leading to significant losses and health concerns.
HB396: Gary Sandborn, Willowdale Farm, Deerfield Oppose06:17:30.638 - 2:46:26 PM; Gary Sandborn from Willowdale Farm in Deerfield opposed the bill, citing his negative experiences with non-USDA facilities after the East Conway Beef facility burned down. He recounted incidents of poor sanitation and mold growth at these facilities, leading to significant losses. Sandborn stressed the importance of USDA standards for consumer safety and shared that his farm uses USDA certification as a marketing tool. He argued that while there can be issues with USDA facilities, the safety and accountability provided by USDA inspections are crucial.
HB396: Jonathan Leslie, Deerfield Support06:25:49.160 - 2:54:45 PM; Jonathan Leslie from Deerfield supported the bill, discussing the challenges small farms face with USDA processors, including long booking times. He shared positive experiences with both USDA and custom butchers but pointed out issues with large-scale USDA facilities, including recalls and foreign matter in meat. Leslie argued that the bill would benefit small farms by allowing them to use custom butchers with relatively low risk of human sickness due to the traceability of meat from small producers.
HB396: Daryl Robinson, East Conway Beef Information Only06:31:52.558 - 3:00:48 PM; Daryl Robinson from East Conway Beef provided detailed information on the meat processing industry, emphasizing the importance of USDA inspections for safety. He discussed the role of inspectors in checking for diseases within animals during slaughter, highlighting that such inspections are crucial to prevent public health risks. Robinson also raised concerns about the decline in state oversight, mentioning that blood tests and annual inspections, which were once standard, have decreased over time. He expressed worry about the integrity of meat sold at farmers' markets, where some sellers misrepresent their products as locally sourced when they are actually buying and repackaging 'Box Beef' from other countries. Additionally, he touched on the issue of mold in meat, explaining it's a result of temperature mismanagement rather than an inherent issue during slaughter. Robinson did not explicitly support or oppose the bill but provided insights into the broader implications of meat processing regulations.
HB396: Representative Penza Information Only06:30:16.600 - 2:59:12 PM; Representative Penza sought clarification on the geographical distribution of meat processing facilities in New Hampshire, mentioning East Conway and other locations. They were interested in understanding the regional differences in processing and how it impacts the bill under discussion.
HB396: Representative King Information Only06:42:52.920 - 3:11:48 PM; Representative King expressed concerns about the centralization of the meat processing system and its vulnerability to disruptions. They envisioned a scenario where decentralized processing could allow for fresher, locally sourced meat without the need for extensive transportation and refrigeration, questioning if such a system could be viable again.
HB396: Representative Goly Information Only06:46:25.360 - 3:15:21 PM; Representative Goly thanked Daryl Robinson for his testimony and asked about the federal government's requirement for liability insurance in meat processing facilities. They clarified that while it's not required, Robinson chooses to have it, indicating the importance of such measures.
HB396: Lucen Brown, New Hampton, NH Support06:47:03.798 - 3:15:59 PM; Lucen Brown, a first-generation farmer from New Hampton, NH, supports House Bill 396. She and her husband raise sheep, beef, and poultry, selling retail cuts directly to consumers. Currently, their beef and lamb need USDA inspection for individual sales, while their poultry is processed on-farm or at non-USDA inspected facilities. Brown highlighted that the bill would benefit NH farmers and consumers by increasing local commerce, reducing wait times for slaughterhouse services, and enhancing food safety standards without relying on USDA labels. She emphasized the importance of maintaining high sanitation and food safety in meat processing, regardless of USDA involvement, and expressed a desire for more locally processed meat to reach consumers.
HB396: Joyce Brady, New Hampshire Farm Bureau, Columbia, NH Support06:49:18.760 - 3:18:14 PM; Joyce Brady, president of the New Hampshire Farm Bureau and a diversified livestock farmer from Columbia, NH, supports HB396. She operates a state-licensed processing facility and appreciates the bill's potential to benefit both farmers and consumers. Brady suggested transforming the bill into a resolution directed at the USDA and U.S. Congress, citing recent policy discussions at the American Farm Bureau Federation's annual convention. She highlighted the need for third-party inspectors on the kill floor and stressed the importance of supporting small processing facilities across the country, not just in NH. Brady believes a resolution could lead to significant reform and help avoid violations for farmers and processors.
HB396: Kyle Forry, Guilford, NH Support07:00:31.080 - 3:29:27 PM; Kyle Forry, a farmer from Guilford, NH, supports HB396. He and his wife raise grass-fed beef, lamb, pork, turkey, and chicken, facing challenges with processing facilities' scheduling and the seasonal nature of farming. Forry emphasized the importance of trust between farmers and consumers, suggesting that the bill could help open markets for smaller facilities and reduce bureaucratic barriers. He discussed the stress and weight loss animals experience during transport and expressed interest in on-farm processing to improve animal welfare and consumer connection to food sources. Forry also supported efforts to push for the PRIME Act at the federal level to address these issues.
HB396: King, unknown location Information Only07:04:22.920 - 3:33:18 PM; King discussed the historical practice of farmers taking their livestock to local butchers for processing and sale, questioning why this process has changed over time. He suggested that the current market structure, including the convenience of grocery stores, has altered the traditional process. He also mentioned the use of online farm stores to adapt to modern consumer preferences and noted the lack of sufficient processing facilities, which the bill aims to address. King expressed no personal safety concerns with local custom shops, which are inspected facilities without on-site inspectors.
HB396: Penza, Concord, NH Information Only07:07:06.120 - 3:36:02 PM; Penza reflected on the changes in meat processing from traditional to modern methods, mentioning the convenience of grocery stores as a major factor. He noted that many USDA facilities have retail shops, suggesting that the shift away from traditional butchers is driven by consumer convenience.
HB396: Erica Leon, Dairy, NH Support07:08:32.680 - 3:37:28 PM; Erica Leon, a co-sponsor of the bill, shared her experience with purchasing meat locally, highlighting issues such as low yield rates and packaging problems at USDA facilities. She emphasized the importance of supporting local farmers and increasing transparency in meat processing. Leon suggested potential legislative actions, including a late introduction of a house resolution and encouraging federal support for local processing. She advocated for New Hampshire-specific meat with local inspections to ensure quality and truth in advertising.
HB396: King, unknown location Information Only07:12:26.558 - 3:41:22 PM; King asked about experiences with mislabeled meat from USDA butchers, sharing an instance where different cuts were misidentified. He questioned the accuracy of labeling and processing at USDA facilities, suggesting that local processors should not be held to unattainable standards set by federal programs.

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