Committee Summary for House Finance Division III (02/13/2026)

Bill/Time	Type	Title	Sponsor
HB1569 00:02:38.879 - 8:01:24 AM	General Working Session	repealing the directive that the state sell the Anna Philbrook Center for Children property in Concord.	Wallner, Mary Jane(D)[F]2025
HB661 2025-3055h 00:39:34.320 - 8:38:20 AM	General Working Session	relative to the department of health and human services management of social security payments, supplemental security income payments, and veterans benefits for children in foster care.	Wallner, Mary Jane(D)[F]2025
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h 01:24:59.120 - 9:23:45 AM	General Working Session	relative to the department of health and human services management of social security payments, supplemental security income payments, and veterans benefits for children in foster care.	Wallner, Mary Jane(D)[F]2025
HB1515 0690h 01:57:13.440 - 9:55:59 AM	General Working Session	repealing the child care grant program administered by the department of health and human services.	Turcotte, Len(R)[B]2025
HB1566 02:05:55.840 - 10:04:41 AM	General Working Session	making a contingent appropriation to the department of health and human services for the purpose of providing recruitment and benefit grants to child care employers.	Wallner, Mary Jane(D)[F]2025
HB1569 03:10:29.120 - 11:09:15 AM	Executive Session	repealing the directive that the state sell the Anna Philbrook Center for Children property in Concord.	Wallner, Mary Jane(D)[F]2025
HB661 0707H 03:13:00.080 - 11:11:46 AM	Executive Session	relative to the department of health and human services management of social security payments, supplemental security income payments, and veterans benefits for children in foster care.	Wallner, Mary Jane(D)[F]2025
HB1515 0690H 03:23:35.120 - 11:22:21 AM	Executive Session	repealing the child care grant program administered by the department of health and human services.	Turcotte, Len(R)[B]2025
HB1566 0697H 03:28:23.840 - 11:27:09 AM	Executive Session	making a contingent appropriation to the department of health and human services for the purpose of providing recruitment and benefit grants to child care employers.	Wallner, Mary Jane(D)[F]2025
HB1750 03:37:59.520 - 11:36:45 AM	General Working Session	making a supplemental appropriation to the department of health and human services for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP).	Pearson, Mark(R)[B]2025

HB1569: Representative Moren Mooney, Chairman, Town of Merrimack Information Only00:02:38.879 - 8:01:24 AM; The chairman opens the Division 3 House Finance work session on February 13, 2026, welcomes substitute Representative Rita Matson, confirms compliance with House Rule 44A, outlines the order of bills to be discussed (HB 1569, HB 661, HB 1515, HB 1566, HB 1750), explains the advisory nature of the session with recommendations going to full finance, notes deadlines, and lists available motions under House Rule 45: ought to pass, ought to pass with amendment, inexpedient to legislate, refer for interim study, or recommended but laid on the table due to funding.
HB1569: Representative Moren Mooney, Chairman Information Only00:04:09.439 - 8:02:55 AM; The chairman continues by providing deadlines for the committee (March 5, 2026) and crossover (March 26, 2026), reiterates the available motions, thanks attendees, and asks for any initial comments from committee members before starting on HB 1569. He welcomes Commissioner Charlie Arlinghouse to discuss the Philbrook Center.
HB1569: Unidentified Committee Member Information Only00:04:55.040 - 8:03:41 AM; The member asks Commissioner Arlinghouse three key questions: whether any documentation prohibits the sale or partitions the land or dictates usage; plans for the building after July 1, 2026, given the transition of beds; and if $5 million is an accurate asking price.
HB1569: Commissioner Charlie Arlinghouse Information Only00:06:08.000 - 8:04:54 AM; Commissioner Arlinghouse explains that the state hospital campus is one parcel with a law preventing division, but a Senate bill sponsored by Senator Rearen would allow subdivision to enable the sale. Without it, sale is not legally possible. HB 2 directed the sale but without specifics on subdivision or marketing; the $5 million figure was an estimate. The state must first offer to the city or county, and the city of Concord is interested but awaiting bill outcomes. They prefer the city as a partner for subdivision. No plans exist for the building post-sale; HHS can stay until sold but must leave then. Vacating early would not lead to alternative uses during sale efforts.
HB1569: Representative Terski Information Only00:09:24.000 - 8:08:10 AM; Representative Terski thanks the commissioner, agrees with his summary of the budget process, notes that amendments to HB 2 were made to balance numbers without deep discussion on property value, and asks for thoughts on retaining the Philbrook Center for state benefit versus a one-time cash infusion for operating expenses, considering its current use as transitional housing or future potential.
HB1569: Commissioner Charlie Arlinghouse Information Only00:11:24.800 - 8:10:10 AM; In response, the commissioner notes that a quick cash hit can be necessary, citing historical examples like the Ladd-Delisandro committee realizing $75 million in assets. He advises against willy-nilly selling assets if the state has needs, preferring ownership over renting in some cases. He is unsure of alternative uses if kept, acknowledges HHS's view of it as ideal for transitional housing, and states it's neither short- nor long-sighted. The building is not historic or attractive, has plumbing issues, making it a candidate for sale if any, but he would be fine keeping it if not selling others.
HB1569: Representative Terski Information Only00:12:28.720 - 8:11:14 AM; As a follow-up, Representative Terski asks for the commissioner's view on the value of state-owned property nearby for agency expansions or mission changes, using DHS or New Hampshire Hospital as examples.
HB1569: Commissioner Charlie Arlinghouse Information Only00:12:28.720 - 8:11:14 AM; The commissioner begins to divide his response into two parts: needs of state agencies for additional space and the specific context of the Philbrook Center property.
HB1569: Commissioner Charlie Arlinghouse Information Only00:13:50.000 - 8:12:36 AM; Commissioner Arlinghouse continues testimony on state property management, emphasizing the lack of available office space and the challenges of specialized needs like morgues or corrections facilities. He discusses routine conversations with HHS about space requirements, the absence of reserve stock, and reliance on renting due to insufficient owned space. He notes ongoing renovations and transitions, such as the Landrean building and Spalding, and analyzes needs when spaces open up.
HB1569: Unidentified Committee Member Information Only00:15:52.160 - 8:14:38 AM; A committee member acknowledges the commissioner's explanation on renting space due to needs exceeding available owned space.
HB1569: Representative Daniels Information Only00:15:52.160 - 8:14:38 AM; Representative Daniels asks about currently vacant buildings besides the Filbert Center or those soon to be vacated. The commissioner responds that nothing is fully vacant, mentions uninhabitable spaces like Bankraftoft due to mold and needed remodeling, and discusses ongoing renovations at the Landrean building for Department of Safety and Labor, leading to Spalding becoming vacant soon.
HB1569: Representative Daniels (follow-up) Information Only00:17:59.120 - 8:16:45 AM; Representative Daniels follows up on the size comparison between Bankraftoft and Philick, with the commissioner noting Bankraftoft is smaller based on past occupancy.
HB1569: Representative Stringham Information Only00:19:10.320 - 8:17:56 AM; Representative Stringham inquires about plans for 40+ workers at New Hampshire Hospital in the building and considerations for sale-leaseback. The commissioner states no sale-leaseback is planned, interprets HB 2 as requiring full sale, dislikes sale-leasebacks, and is discussing relocation options like Spalding or Granite Place, prioritizing proximity.
HB1569: Representative Stringham (follow-up) Information Only00:20:17.600 - 8:19:03 AM; Representative Stringham asks about costs of moving people, transitional housing, and how these factor into sale decisions presented to the Executive Council. The commissioner explains the Council approves sales, moving costs are rarely accounted for in legislation, and agencies must absorb them from budgets.
HB1569: Representative Stringham (final follow-up) Information Only00:21:20.960 - 8:20:06 AM; Representative Stringham questions where moving costs fit in the budget, with the commissioner confirming they are not budgeted and agencies like HHS must find funds amid cuts.
HB1569: Representative Wiler Oppose00:22:35.840 - 8:21:21 AM; Representative Wiler draws on past experiences with delayed sales like Laconia parcel and YDC, high moving costs (e.g., over $1M for AG move), and delays in projects like New Hampshire Hospital construction. He argues that expecting quick budget help from sales is unrealistic and nothing happens quickly with real estate and moves.
HB1569: Commissioner Charlie Arlinghouse (response) Information Only00:22:35.840 - 8:21:21 AM; The commissioner agrees with most of Representative Wiler's points on inaccuracies in expectations for sales and moves.
HB1569: Representative Naleno Information Only00:23:48.000 - 8:22:34 AM; Representative Naleno asks about including a first right of refusal clause in a potential sale, especially to Concord or Merrimack, if the property is resold. The commissioner considers it sensible but notes it could limit buyer flexibility, potentially hindering sales, and agrees to explore it for city or county buyers.
HB1569: Representative Priest Information Only00:25:57.360 - 8:24:43 AM; Representative Priest asks about comparable annual square footage rental costs in Concord for transitional housing and DHHS office space. The commissioner estimates $25 per square foot based on current rents and defers exact numbers.
HB1569: Representative Priest (follow-up 1) Information Only00:25:57.360 - 8:24:43 AM; Representative Priest asks if maintaining the site prevents higher shelter, emergency, and institutional costs. The commissioner suggests asking the department but presumes it does.
HB1569: Representative Priest (follow-up 2) Information Only00:27:08.799 - 8:25:54 AM; Representative Priest questions if balancing the budget with asset liquidation is sustainable. The commissioner notes it depends on assets available, references historical examples, and advises using one-time revenue for one-time expenses, though budgets include some one-time items.
HB1569: Representative Walner Information Only00:28:19.600 - 8:27:05 AM; Representative Walner asks about square footage of rented office space in Concord. The commissioner estimates around 100,000 sq ft across various agencies and offers to provide exact numbers.
HB1569: Representative Walner (follow-up 1) Information Only00:28:19.600 - 8:27:05 AM; Representative Walner confirms the estimate and lists examples of rented spaces like Division of Personnel, Banking, Human Rights Commission, BEA, OPLC.
HB1569: Representative Walner (follow-up 2) Information Only00:29:27.840 - 8:28:13 AM; Representative Walner asks if the Filbert Center was previously office space. The commissioner confirms it housed OPLC, Child Advocate, Governor's Commission on Disability, and American Legion until COVID, then converted for HHS use.
HB1569: Representative Walner (follow-up 3) Information Only00:30:39.679 - 8:29:25 AM; Representative Walner inquires about land amount the state would give up in a sale. The commissioner envisions selling a larger parcel including land from Fruit Street to the brook and Clinton Street to oak trees, likely 3-4 times the building footprint to reach $5M, negotiated with the city.
HB1569: Representative Stringham (additional) Information Only00:31:32.240 - 8:30:18 AM; Representative Stringham asks if savings could be generated by moving renters into the transitional housing space instead of selling, comparing financially to outright sale. The commissioner agrees moving to owned space saves long-term but involves disruption and upfront costs, with savings not immediate.
HB1569: Representative Terski Oppose00:32:38.399 - 8:31:24 AM; Representative Terski expresses concern over the volume of land needed for $5M, emphasizing discussion was about selling the building, not acres, and values state land ownership more than the building. He worries about losing green space, historic elements, and usability if dissected by buyer like Concord.
HB1569: Commissioner Charlie Arlinghouse (response to Terski) Information Only00:33:48.320 - 8:32:34 AM; The commissioner agrees the state owns land for various reasons including use, conservation, and green space; highlights property's value, brook, soccer field, and picnic area. He notes buyers likely want the land, not the 'ugly' building, which would probably be demolished or rehabbed extensively. He questions the $5M budget figure as arbitrary and notes legislation doesn't define the lot size.
HB1569: Representative Terski (wrap-up) Information Only00:35:51.520 - 8:34:37 AM; Representative Terski appreciates the discussion clarifying focus on building vs. land impacts, noting initial discussions didn't cover land sale implications.
HB1569: Commissioner Charlie Arlinghouse (final note) Information Only00:36:53.760 - 8:35:39 AM; The commissioner offers that if the committee wants to sell but specify parcel size, they can dictate via law, and notes the Senate bill allows subdivision unlike current law.
HB1569: Representative Matson Information Only00:36:53.760 - 8:35:39 AM; Representative Matson questions if this is the 127-acre parcel and how to separate it. The commissioner clarifies it's part of it, a small piece would be sold, and Senate bill enables subdivision.
HB661 2025-3055h: Committee Chair Information Only00:39:34.320 - 8:38:20 AM; The chair introduces HB 661, notes multiple amendments, bases discussion on Walner amendment 2025-3055h, explains the bill was recommitted after in-expedient recommendation due to federal executive order and letter urging states to separate foster child benefits from state revenue. Notes no funding provided, potential opioid funds unavailable, and original bill unlikely to pass.
HB661 2025-3055h: Representative Walner Support00:42:22.640 - 8:41:08 AM; Representative Walner explains the amendment slows implementation compared to original, pushes most financial obligations to next biennium, requires little startup now, and shows good faith progress to feds without major immediate costs.
HB661 2025-3055h: Representative Seaworth Information Only00:45:10.319 - 8:43:56 AM; Representative Seaworth seeks clarification on $280,000 appropriation timing, noting potential misalignment between timeline and draft fiscal note based on original bill.
HB661 2025-3055h: Mr. Ripple Information Only00:46:27.760 - 8:45:13 AM; Mr. Ripple clarifies the $280,000 in fiscal 27 covers sections 3-4 (ABLE accounts, policies) effective upon passage, but department prepared revised language shifting costs to subsequent budgets per committee request.
HB661 2025-3055h: Committee Chair Information Only00:47:26.560 - 8:46:12 AM; The chair introduces distribution of DHHS-proposed amendment addressing funding and timing.
HB661 2025-3055h: Representative Nelleno Information Only00:48:26.960 - 8:47:12 AM; Representative Nelleno observes potential federal funding for transition costs mentioned in communications.
HB661 2025-3055h: Susan Laravey, DCYF General Counsel Information Only00:49:22.400 - 8:48:08 AM; Susan Laravey walks through amendment 2025-0702h, which adjusts effective dates without changing other language: ABLE accounts by June 30, 2028; infrastructure by June 30, 2029; applicability from July 1, 2028, all subject to sufficient funding.
HB661 2025-3055h: Unidentified Speaker Information Only00:52:50.480 - 8:51:36 AM; Questions removal of title IV-E funds reference from amendment, explained as unavailable for this purpose; no statute needed if available.
HB661 2025-3055h: Representative Seaworth Information Only00:54:18.880 - 8:53:04 AM; Representative Seaworth asks about reported loss of IV-E funds; explained as minimization when collecting SSI simultaneously, NH chooses higher benefit, so full SSI conservation means losing IV-E.
HB661 2025-3055h: Representative Terski Information Only00:55:16.800 - 8:54:02 AM; Representative Terski notes 'sufficient funding' language as potential escape valve, questions who decides sufficiency. Laravey explains it highlights costs for budget process, prioritized in efficiency budget submission to governor and legislature.
HB661 2025-3055h: Representative Walner Information Only00:57:41.920 - 8:56:27 AM; Representative Walner questions if budget process already determines sufficient funding, notes rarity of such language in law, more common in chapter laws or budget requests.
HB661 2025-3055h: Representative Wiler Information Only00:58:49.280 - 8:57:35 AM; Representative Wiler shares experience as rep payee in MA, suggests similar subtraction for board/care from checks to avoid HHS deficit.
HB661 2025-3055h: Susan Laravey Information Only01:00:02.640 - 8:58:48 AM; Laravey clarifies sections A (cost of care: maintenance like shelter/clothing) and B (unmet needs: education/tech like iPad, class ring) in revolving/personal needs accounts, shifting to ABLE at ~$2,000.
HB661 2025-3055h: Representative Seaworth (follow-up) Information Only01:03:31.440 - 9:02:17 AM; Representative Seaworth asks if language prevents current good practices; explained revolving fund secures benefits individually, no fees/interest, returns to agency if child leaves, but new process conserves 100% vs. partial now, changing operations but not negatively.
HB661 2025-3055h: Representative Walner (follow-up) Information Only01:07:06.799 - 9:05:52 AM; Representative Walner asks about differences in SSI use for adults vs. children and agency vs. private rep payee responsibilities; deferred to Social Security consultation. Notes bill enables more children to keep existing payees, but lacks oversight on private use; found 65 children with non-DCYF payees out of ~1,500 in placement, ~270 with benefits.
HB661 2025-3055h: Representative Naleno Information Only01:12:05.840 - 9:10:51 AM; Representative Naleno observes consensus on ensuring benefits reach children, asks about learning from other states to simplify and reduce bureaucracy. Laravey notes early stages, reviewing MA, AZ, OH policies; federal focus on survivorship benefits; complicated, seeking guidance.
HB661 2025-3055h: Representative Seaworth (additional) Information Only01:16:49.760 - 9:15:35 AM; Representative Seaworth worries about unnecessary administrative costs; questions if sections 1-2 duplicate SSA roles. Explained DHHS already screens/eligibility checks, notifies SSA; added layers needed but SSA decides rep payee; steps like court permission for info sharing required.
HB661 2025-3055h: Representative Priest Information Only01:21:46.239 - 9:20:32 AM; Representative Priest asks if sections 1-2 protect children previously denied funds; affirmed for those without applied benefits due to family impacts, helping apply upon entry but may terminate on exit if affecting family benefits. References existing policy 1676 on screening/applying.
HB661 2025-3055h: Representative Boiler Information Only01:24:12.480 - 9:22:58 AM; Representative Boiler seeks explanation of RSDI; clarified as all SS benefits except SSI (disability, unemployment, survivor, etc.).
HB661 2025-3055h: Representative Terski (closing) Support01:24:12.480 - 9:22:58 AM; Representative Terski emphasizes core philosophy that all benefits (not just survivorship) belong to children, urges clarity in bill to reflect federal directive and child-centric intent.
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h: Representative Mooney Information Only01:24:59.120 - 9:23:45 AM; Representative Mooney summarizes amendment 702H, which modifies amendment 3055H by pushing the effective date out by one year, excluding title 4 funds from pay and ABLE accounts, and adding language about subject to sufficient funding. This would implement infrastructure for pay and ABLE accounts without immediate funding appropriation.
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h: Representative Priest Information Only01:26:03.840 - 9:24:49 AM; Representative Priest suggests including 'subject to receiving sufficient funding' on the second page of the amendment, noting it as a key concern.
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h: Mr. Ripple (Department Representative) Information Only01:27:07.760 - 9:25:53 AM; Mr. Ripple explains amendment 704H, which makes structural changes to the base amendment 3055H. Key points include specifying children in court-ordered out-of-home placement under RSA 169F (excluding juvenile justice and voluntary placements), adding parental consultation for benefits eligibility unless rights are terminated, clarifying rep payee processes, reordering sections chronologically for eligibility screening and management, combining infrastructure sections, and pushing the effective date to July 1, 2028, with no appropriation this fiscal year. He notes a needed strike of 'by the court' in rep payee language for consistency.
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h: Representative Walner Information Only01:36:52.080 - 9:35:38 AM; Representative Walner seeks clarification on the change to 'court-ordered out-of-home placement as described in RSA 169F' compared to prior amendments, confirming it excludes voluntary placements and focuses on cases with legal custody or guardianship. He inquires about the number of voluntary placements (several hundred via Bureau of Children's Mental Health) and whether this amendment reduces the scope of covered children, but confirms it aligns with foster care and delinquency cases.
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h: Ms. Smith Information Only01:40:56.800 - 9:39:42 AM; Ms. Smith clarifies that voluntary placements through the Division of Behavioral Health are not DCYF children and are not involved in rep payee processes.
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h: Chair (summarizing) Information Only01:42:09.440 - 9:40:55 AM; The Chair summarizes amendment 704H: changes to court-ordered placements (redundant with prior), adds parental payee language, retains sufficient funding clause, reorders departmental actions, and pushes effective date with no cost this year.
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h: Mr. Ripple (continued) Information Only01:43:06.400 - 9:41:52 AM; Mr. Ripple introduces another amendment based on 3055H, adding section five referencing President Trump's executive order (November 13, 2025) to direct the department to seek all available federal funds and resources, and section six limiting applicability to children in foster care as of the effective date to avoid retroactive liability. It keeps costs at approximately $280,000 this fiscal year via consultant RFP process.
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h: Representative Walner Support01:45:20.719 - 9:44:06 AM; Representative Walner supports the amendment, noting the $280,000 cost is manageable and demonstrates good faith by starting infrastructure like policies, emphasizing the need to show seriousness about implementation.
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h: Representative Wiler Oppose01:48:10.080 - 9:46:56 AM; Representative Wiler suggests an interim study instead of spending on consultants, proposing to use legislative research, CSG, or ALEC for model legislation from other states during the summer to tie up loose ends without immediate costs.
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h: Representative Seaworth Information Only01:49:23.119 - 9:48:09 AM; Representative Seaworth questions consultant costs (near half a million ongoing) and whether report suggestions like hiring a financial literacy specialist are authorized by the bill. He raises concerns about implementation driving from the report versus RSA language, given hiring freezes and 22% vacancy rate.
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h: Mr. Ripple (response) Information Only01:50:41.360 - 9:49:27 AM; Mr. Ripple explains that due to hiring freeze and budget constraints, RFP for consultants is necessary. Funds may require transferring lapsed general funds in May to carry forward, noting $15 million found this year won't be available next, and potential requests to fiscal committee.
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h: Representative Wiler (continued) Oppose01:51:48.080 - 9:50:34 AM; Representative Wiler reiterates that an interim study with deadlines and outline could be accepted, similar to referring to committee.
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h: Representative (unnamed, possibly Mooney) Support01:52:50.320 - 9:51:36 AM; The representative opposes interim study, citing time spent on the topic and urgency from President Trump's executive order. Supports the Mooney amendment as a first step to make progress on the policy's philosophical goals.
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h: Chair Information Only01:54:02.719 - 9:52:48 AM; The Chair proposes moving to House Bills 1515 and 1566 until 11:30, then caucusing and resuming. Puts HB 661 and amendments aside temporarily.
HB661 2025-3055h, 702h, 704h: Mr. Ripple Information Only01:55:02.639 - 9:53:48 AM; Mr. Ripple introduces a simple amendment to HB 1515 to delete sections I through VI related to the child care grant program from the state budget, noting they originated from HB 2 in 2023. Discusses 2025 budget appropriations of $7.5 million potentially from federal funds, with unclear availability.
HB1515 0690h: Unidentified Representative Information Only01:57:13.440 - 9:55:59 AM; The speaker proposes amendment 0690H to HB 1515, which deletes Roman numeral section six to remove the state's obligation to fully fund the child care workforce program if federal funds are unavailable, while retaining sections one through five to keep the program in place.
HB1515 0690h: Representative Walner Information Only01:58:07.360 - 9:56:53 AM; Representative Walner questions the need for both HB 1515 and HB 1566 if they contain similar repeal language on line 8, suggesting the language could be consolidated into one bill. The speaker responds that the amendment was initially for HB 1566 and serves as a precaution if HB 1566 fails.
HB1515 0690h: Unidentified Representative Information Only01:59:35.679 - 9:58:21 AM; The representative asks Kevin about the language in House Bill 2, confirming it is chapter law for this biennium only, but the requirement for the department to include it in budget requests is ongoing, though it does not mandate inclusion in the governor's or legislature's budget.
HB1515 0690h: Representative Seaworth Information Only02:00:53.040 - 9:59:39 AM; Representative Seaworth notes that without amending HB 1515, it could go to the floor with an ITL recommendation but still pass OTP in its original form, whereas amending it would specify what goes to the floor.
HB1515 0690h: Representative Flarski Information Only02:00:53.040 - 9:59:39 AM; Representative Flarski seeks clarification on the amendment process, explaining that if the committee amendment fails on the House floor, the original bill would still proceed, and if the amendment passes, the original bill is gone.
HB1515 0690h: Unidentified Representative Information Only02:02:27.280 - 10:01:13 AM; The representative questions Kevin on the need to repeal a section of HB 2 that won't be implemented due to lack of funds, suggesting the bill may not be necessary since no federal money is available and the program hasn't started.
HB1515 0690h: Kevin Information Only02:02:27.280 - 10:01:13 AM; Kevin explains it's a policy decision for the legislature; in practice, without money, the program won't implement, but codifying the intent in law is advisable.
HB1515 0690h: Representative Priest Oppose02:03:38.480 - 10:02:24 AM; Representative Priest agrees with colleagues that there is no need to continue consideration of HB 1515, suggesting the amendment is better suited for HB 1566 as it is clearer and more specific.
HB1515 0690h: Unidentified Representative (Chair) Information Only02:04:25.599 - 10:03:11 AM; The chair moves to discuss the amendment to HB 1566, noting it was previewed last Monday, and it specifies asking the federal government how TEF funds can fully fund the child care workforce program, while adding elements suggested by a state senator related to Senate Bill 483.
HB1566: Unidentified Representative Information Only02:05:55.840 - 10:04:41 AM; The representative discusses an amendment to HB 1566 that replaces the entire bill, removes appropriations, includes waiver language starting on line 18 to line 20, and repeals RSA 167:6. They mention a productive meeting with Senator Lang and Representative Rosenwald regarding coordination between HB 1566 and SB 483, resulting in a letter to the congressional delegation to target TANF questions for better fund utilization, as the state cannot produce $15 million.
HB1566: Representative Wallner Information Only02:07:10.400 - 10:05:56 AM; Representative Wallner agrees the meeting was productive and supports the letter to the congressional delegation. They note the Senate's similar struggles with wording and that the department was already pursuing federal HHS for TANF fund use.
HB1566: CFO, Department of Health and Human Services Information Only02:08:26.639 - 10:07:12 AM; The CFO presents a chart on TANF balance history from 2006, showing fluctuations due to recession, benefit increases, and current projections. As of 9/30, the balance is $64 million, with transfers to CCDF ($10.581 million) and SSBG. Projections show about $20 million remaining by biennium end. They warn that current child care scholarship trends could deplete funds by July 2029, and using TANF for other purposes has long-term sustainability risks. In a recession, funds could last only 5 months. Emphasizes understanding implications for TANF program sustainability.
HB1566: Karen Heert, Director, Division of Economic Stability, DHHS Information Only02:15:26.400 - 10:14:12 AM; Heert explains the sudden increase in child care scholarships due to 2024 changes: income eligibility to 85% SMI, cost shares capped at 7%, and rate increases. Utilization rose 86% from Jan 2024 to Sep 2025, now at 80%, with projections for continued growth. These changes, legislated via HB2 in 2023, aimed to increase access without a waitlist. Child care supports workforce participation. TANF's purpose includes promoting job preparation; the NH Employment Program provides job readiness services and child care for participants. Utilization: 2,774 children in Jan 2024 to 4,994 now (5,122 in Sep). TANF lasts up to 60 months. Nearly 90% of unlinked children aged out. TANF funds support positions, contracts, and allocations across the department via cost allocation plan.
HB1566: Representative Wiler Information Only02:18:02.880 - 10:16:48 AM; Wiler questions the purpose of scholarship increases, eligibility changes, and argues for passing HB 1566 as-is to support workforce for child care demand. Seeks numbers on scholarship utilization before/after increases, duration of TANF (up to 60 months), and spending details.
HB1566: Representative Stringham Information Only02:19:17.840 - 10:18:03 AM; Stringham expresses concern that using TANF funds could exacerbate recession risks, noting the current balance is at a safe minimum reserve level.
HB1566: Representative Walner Information Only02:22:42.960 - 10:21:28 AM; Walner highlights TANF's goal to promote workforce re-entry via job training, where child care is essential. Questions chart details on SFY 26 budget (TANF across department), examples of uses (positions, contracts, allocations). Requests second quarter child care drawdown data and notes first quarter spend around $12 million.
HB1566: Representative Madson Information Only02:25:04.960 - 10:23:50 AM; Madson inquires briefly, but specifics not detailed in transcript.
HB1566: Unidentified Representative (likely Chair) Information Only02:26:12.479 - 10:24:58 AM; Facilitates discussion and thanks presenters.
HB1566: Representative Priest Information Only02:29:13.040 - 10:27:59 AM; Priest requests a full breakdown of TANF spending on services vs. staff/positions.
HB1566: Representative Wallner Information Only02:31:30.080 - 10:30:16 AM; Wallner discusses amendment 717h to HB 1566: Reduces general fund appropriation to up to $7.5 million (half of original $15 million biennium), contingent on federal TANF approval. If TANF funds approved, general funds reduce accordingly (e.g., to zero if $7.5M+ in TANF). Explains history: Original bill based on 2023 budget; delayed rollout; Finance Committee added $15M via TANF, but CoC required federal check. Providers delayed a year; Governor omitted funds; seeks to provide immediate support while pursuing federal options.
HB1566: Kevin (Staff) Information Only02:36:54.240 - 10:35:40 AM; Kevin clarifies amendment wording: Appropriation up to $7.5M general funds, reduced by any approved federal TANF funds.
HB1569: Representative Wiler Support03:10:29.120 - 11:09:15 AM; Moved to pass the bill.
HB1569: Representative Stringham Support03:10:29.120 - 11:09:15 AM; Seconded the motion and explained support due to long-term benefits to the state by keeping the property, potential savings, and no immediate economic benefit from selling.
HB661 0707H: Representative Walner Support03:13:00.080 - 11:11:46 AM; Moved to adopt amendment 0707H, which replaces the entire bill. Described the bill's history over four years, including reports, interim study, executive order, and federal encouragement. Noted the amendment addresses pressing issues at a cost of $280,000 this fiscal year, leading to a $2 million revenue decrease over time by stopping the use of foster children's benefits as state revenue. Encouraged adoption, highlighting support from the Children and Family Law Committee.
HB661 0707H: Representative Daniels Oppose03:19:11.680 - 11:17:57 AM; Voted no on the ought to pass with amendment due to concerns about the financial impact on the already passed budget.
HB661 0707H: Representative Seaworth Oppose03:19:11.680 - 11:17:57 AM; Voted no on the ought to pass with amendment, citing other amendments discussed that were worth further consideration.
HB1515 0690H: Unnamed Representative (likely Chair) Support03:23:35.120 - 11:22:21 AM; Moved to adopt amendment 0690H, which replaces the whole bill except for deleting section six, leaving sections 1 through 5.
HB1515 0690H: Unnamed Representative (likely Chair) Vote03:25:03.200 - 11:23:49 AM; Announces the vote on amendment 0690H to HB 1515, with seven yes and three no, passing the amendment. Then calls for motion on ought to pass as amended.
HB1515 0690H: Representative Seaworth Support03:25:03.200 - 11:23:49 AM; Moves ought to pass as amended for HB 1515. Explains that the amendment removes the directive for the department to include the program in their budget request, making it a minor change that does not impact the program's continuation, as it will still come before the legislature.
HB1515 0690H: Unnamed Representative (likely Chair) Vote03:26:08.640 - 11:24:54 AM; Calls for roll call on ought to pass as amended for HB 1515, resulting in six yes and four no, passing the motion.
HB1566 0697H: Representative Walner Information Only03:28:23.840 - 11:27:09 AM; Declines to introduce amendment 717H as it is not worded correctly and needs revision. Explains the intended structure: up to $15 million for child care providers, with a maximum of $7.5 million from general funds and the rest from federal funds if available, providing an example of adjusting based on federal contributions.
HB1566 0697H: Representative Mooney Support03:29:23.279 - 11:28:09 AM; Moves amendment 0697H to HB 1566, which replaces the entire bill. Reflects on prior budget discussions assuming federal TANF funds would cover $7.5 million annually. Notes the amendment sharpens the request for federal funds and includes a letter to US representatives. Emphasizes pursuing federal funding to avoid using general funds, and deletes section six from House Bill 2 as a safeguard.
HB1566 0697H: Representative Walner Oppose03:32:39.359 - 11:31:25 AM; Expresses disappointment in not reaching a better conclusion on the bill, highlighting the critical need for child care programs, especially for TANF families to return to work, and the statewide shortage of thousands of child care spots impacting the workforce.
HB1566 0697H: Representative Wiler Support03:33:29.200 - 11:32:15 AM; Notes the significant increase in child scholarships (over 2,000), suggesting it achieves similar goals to the bill through TANF funds, adding more money to child care.
HB1566 0697H: Representative Terski Oppose03:34:31.680 - 11:33:17 AM; Clarifies that the child care scholarship program and child care workforce grant program are distinct; expanding scholarships without a workforce to provide care would fail. Understands the time constraints but prefers more time to revise the amendment, voting no for that reason.
HB1566 0697H: Unnamed Representative (likely Chair) Vote03:35:41.840 - 11:34:27 AM; Calls for roll call on amendment 0697H to HB 1566, passing 6-4. Then calls for roll call on ought to pass as amended, also passing 6-4.
HB1750: Unnamed Representative (likely Chair) Information Only03:37:59.520 - 11:36:45 AM; Proposes starting discussion on HB 1750 despite time constraints, noting it has a $4.4 million fiscal note. Provides background: due to federal changes in House Resolution One starting October, federal SNAP funding drops from 50% to 25%, and the bill aims to cover the shortfall until July.
HB1750: Unnamed Representative (likely Chair) Information Only03:40:13.520 - 11:38:59 AM; The Chair introduces the discussion on HB 1750, noting questions for the department regarding hiring, potential lapses in funds, caseloads, job descriptions, and surplus funds. Invites Mr. White and Ms. Hebert to address these points.
HB1750: Karen Hebert, Division Director for Economic Stability at DHS Information Only03:41:12.479 - 11:39:58 AM; Karen Hebert provides information on the proportional costs of the SNAP program, including staffing, EBT vendor, outreach, and facilities. She offers to answer questions on these topics.
HB1750: Representative Wner Information Only03:42:16.479 - 11:41:02 AM; Representative Wner inquires about hiring difficulties, personnel churning, and anticipated lapses in the SNAP personnel budget.
HB1750: Karen Hebert Information Only03:43:05.760 - 11:41:51 AM; Hebert discusses vacancies and potential lapses, estimating they would not reach $4.4 million but could provide some funds. She details the 26.4% vacancy rate in eligibility workers, 70 unfunded positions (24%), 8-9% attrition, training timelines, and that positions are direct care not subject to waivers.
HB1750: Representative Stringham Information Only03:45:26.080 - 11:44:12 AM; Stringham asks for confirmation on impacts of cutting SNAP admin budget, such as snafoos in eligibility leading to higher error rates and less federal payments, and whether the bill addresses federal downshifting of admin costs.
HB1750: Karen Hebert Information Only03:45:26.080 - 11:44:12 AM; Hebert outlines key impacts: risk of losing $158 million in SNAP revenue to grocers and retailers, affecting 75,000 recipients; impacts on child care, school lunch, and education aid. Without funding, staffing reductions would increase error rates, potentially costing 6-18 million in FY28 and 8-24 million in FY29 in general funds. Errors are mostly clerical or due to recipient information issues, with manual work relying on staff. Current error rate target is zero, need below 6% to avoid penalties; FY24 rate was 7.57% despite high vacancies. Personnel cannot be easily transferred due to specialized skills.
HB1750: Representative Nelleno Information Only03:48:51.279 - 11:47:37 AM; Nelleno expresses concern about the error rate message, noting FY24 rate was 7.57% when understaffed, and targets should be zero as it's money that could go to recipients.
HB1750: Karen Hebert Information Only03:50:08.880 - 11:48:54 AM; Hebert confirms target error rate is zero, need below 6% to avoid federal corrective action and penalties; no fiscal liability for 12+ years but corrective actions taken. Personnel from other areas lack SNAP expertise due to complex rules.
HB1750: Representative Daniels Information Only03:52:34.319 - 11:51:20 AM; Daniels seeks clarification on the $158 million figure: whether it's total benefits or loss due to 50/50 to 75/25 ratio change.
HB1750: Karen Hebert Information Only03:52:34.319 - 11:51:20 AM; Hebert clarifies $158 million is total SNAP benefits revenue to state retailers; without the program funded, it would be lost.
HB1750: Representative Daniels (follow-up) Information Only03:53:48.640 - 11:52:34 AM; Daniels questions if the loss is due to not having the program or just the ratio change.
HB1750: Karen Hebert Information Only03:53:48.640 - 11:52:34 AM; Hebert explains not passing the bill risks the program, leading to loss.
HB1750: Representative Terski Information Only03:53:48.640 - 11:52:34 AM; Terski piggybacks on Daniels' question, noting $158 million impacts grocers and small businesses economically. Asks if other areas are affected by federal House Resolution One and total state shortfall cost.
HB1750: Karen Hebert Information Only03:54:56.560 - 11:53:42 AM; Hebert agrees on economic impact to businesses. Identifies three major areas: SNAP admin costs, error rate penalties, and Medicaid enhancement tax limit in FY29 reducing revenue. Offers to provide range estimates later.
HB1750: Representative Stringham (follow-up) Information Only03:56:18.239 - 11:55:04 AM; Stringham asks for written overview of error types and prevalence, noting errors may not mean inappropriate spending.
HB1750: Karen Hebert Information Only03:57:29.040 - 11:56:15 AM; Hebert agrees to provide overview of error rates; official USDA rates come end of June for previous fiscal year, a 9-month delay.