Committee Summary for House Finance Division I (03/19/2025)

Bill/Time	Type	Title	Sponsor
HB2 00:01:26.240 - 9:00:42 AM	General Working Session	relative to state fees, funds, revenues, and expenditures.	Weyler, Kenneth(R)[B+]2024

HB2: Mr. Kavanagh Information Only00:01:26.240 - 9:00:42 AM; Mr. Kavanagh from the retirement system presented a comparison of House Bill 2 to current law. He explained that section one of the bill deals with vesting, maintaining the 10-year vesting period as per current law. Section two addresses earnable compensation, proposing to restore changes made in 2011, particularly for group twos, which would include unused sick and vacation time, severance pay, and cash incentives in the final year's compensation calculation. Section three would revert the calculation of average final compensation (AFC) to three years from five and eliminate the limit on compensation over base for group twos, primarily affecting overtime and special duty. Section four discusses the limitation on extra and special duty pay, which would be removed under HB2, impacting tier A and B members differently. Section five addresses normal retirement age, which could result in some members working longer to reach their vested buy date. Section six explains the benefit multiplier, proposing a 2.5% multiplier for all years of service if members wait until their vested date. The maximum benefit under current law has different limits based on when service commenced, and HB2 does not propose changes to this. The cost implications of these changes were discussed, with the actuary's report indicating significant costs, though some details were still being clarified.
HB2: Representative M Information Only00:14:18.800 - 9:13:34 AM; Representative M asked about the cost implications of removing the special duty pay limitation, which Mr. Kavanagh clarified would reduce the cost by $13.9 million if left in place. He also inquired about the impact of the proposed changes on members who had already retired and then returned to work, which Mr. Kavanagh noted could lead to higher benefits upon re-retirement but was not the intent of the bill. Representative M also confirmed with Jack that the changes in HB2 were in line with the governor's vision.
HB2: Representative Run Information Only00:21:50.880 - 9:21:06 AM; Representative Run asked about the implications for a retired police officer returning to work, either part-time or full-time, and whether there would be any retirement benefit advantages. Mr. Kavanagh explained that while there would be no direct benefit from the proposed changes in HB2 for re-retirement, the officer's benefit could be recalculated based on their entire career, potentially increasing it due to additional service and higher pay. He also clarified the rules regarding part-time work and collecting pensions, noting the annual hour limit for part-time work.
HB2: Representative R Information Only00:25:14.440 - 9:24:30 AM; Representative R sought clarification on the impact of the proposed changes on members who might retire and then return to work, particularly regarding the benefit multiplier and maximum benefit. Mr. Kavanagh explained that the proposed changes would not directly benefit those who re-retire but could affect their benefits based on their entire career's service and pay. He also discussed the rules for part-time work and collecting pensions, emphasizing the annual hour limit.
HB2: Nicole Desile Bixler, Department of Military Affairs and Veteran Services Information Only00:40:58.640 - 9:40:14 AM; Nicole Desile Bixler, Deputy Adjutant General, discussed the current fees for non-veteran burials at the New Hampshire Veterans Cemetery, which are set at $350 per burial. She mentioned that not all states charge for dependent burials, with fees ranging from zero to $978. Bixler proposed increasing the fee to $450, which would increase revenue by $37,000 based on an average of 370 non-veteran burials annually. She also noted that the military department is exempt from rule-making requirements but would need to go through the Governor's Nonprofit Council (GNC) for fee changes. Additionally, she mentioned a federal grant of $5.3 million to expand the cemetery by 7 acres, aiming to increase capacity for cremain graves and colarium niches.
HB2: Judy Chen, Chief Financial Officer, Department of Military Affairs and Veteran Services Information Only00:49:04.240 - 9:48:20 AM; Judy Chen discussed the financial aspects of the Veterans Cemetery, explaining that the department has an account unit for the cemetery with revenue categories from the VA, non-veteran burials, and general funds. She highlighted the challenges in projecting burial revenue and how these funds are allocated within the department's budget.
HB2: Commissioner Peting, Department of Agriculture Information Only00:51:53.880 - 9:51:09 AM; Commissioner Peting discussed proposed fee changes for various services within the Department of Agriculture. He mentioned a transfer fee that would be implemented halfway through the year if approved, aiming to make the activity self-funding. He also discussed pesticide re-registration fees, indicating they have begun the rulemaking process and are trying to balance funding to avoid relying on the general fund. Other fees discussed included regulatory services for pet food registration and weights and measures, with updates to fees that have not been adjusted in 25 years. He also proposed a new fee for registered service agencies to better regulate scale repairs, aiming to improve oversight and accountability.
HB2: Representative R Information Only01:03:38.000 - 10:02:54 AM; Representative R questioned the proposal to raise fees on registered service agencies, suggesting that increasing the licensing fee on the devices might be a more direct approach. The discussion clarified that the licensing fee is on the device, not the agent, and different categories of fees are being considered.
HB2: Representative Information Only01:04:51.559 - 10:04:07 AM; The speaker clarified that the businesses employing service technicians are not charged a licensing fee but are tested and act as agents collecting money on devices. The discussion highlighted inaccuracies in the documentation regarding fees and the number of registered service agencies.
HB2: Commissioner Information Only01:05:43.119 - 10:04:59 AM; The Commissioner responded to a question about how the proposed fees compare to those of neighboring states, stating that they are favorable, not the highest nor the lowest. The discussion also touched on the overall increase in general funds due to the proposed fee changes.
HB2: Commissioner Information Only01:06:41.920 - 10:05:57 AM; The Commissioner briefed the committee on a Senate bill related to the licensing of electric charging stations, suggesting that the initial costs be covered by the pesticides fund for the first two years, with revenues going to the general fund. The discussion included the timeline for equipment acquisition and revenue collection.
HB2: Assistant Commissioner Crapo Information Only01:09:13.040 - 10:08:29 AM; Assistant Commissioner Crapo corrected the chart provided to the committee, explaining that many costs were doubled over the biennium. The discussion focused on adjusting the figures to reflect accurate costs for various fees, including the hazardous waste generation fee.
HB2: Representative Eel Information Only01:10:28.560 - 10:09:44 AM; Representative Eel discussed the solid waste surcharge, confirming that the proposed fee of $3.50 per ton would offset costs starting in FY27, with one quarter offset in FY26. The discussion included the effective date and the readiness of the amendment language.
HB2: Representative Griffin Information Only01:12:54.480 - 10:12:10 AM; Representative Griffin sought clarification on the reimbursement of fees to municipalities, confirming that only in-state municipalities would be reimbursed. The discussion also covered the staffing needed to administer the fee collection and reimbursement process.
HB2: Mike Whimsat, Director of the Waste Division Information Only01:14:04.400 - 10:13:20 AM; Mike Whimsat explained that one position would be sufficient to administer the solid waste fee program, detailing the simplicity of fee collection from disposal facilities and the annual reimbursement process for municipalities.
HB2: Representative M Information Only01:15:57.040 - 10:15:13 AM; Representative M inquired about the reimbursement of fees for other governmental entities like school districts, to which the response was uncertain and would be clarified in the rule-making process.
HB2: Representative Rung Support01:17:06.719 - 10:16:22 AM; Representative Rung moved to accept amendment 2025954H to House Bill 2, which was seconded by Representative Eel. The amendment was discussed and voted on, with some opposition due to concerns about new fees without industry input.
HB2: Representative Sweeney Oppose01:18:14.440 - 10:17:30 AM; Representative Sweeney expressed opposition to the new fee proposed in the amendment, preferring adjustments to existing fees. The discussion highlighted the desire for self-contained funding mechanisms.
HB2: Representative Griffin Information Only01:19:07.840 - 10:18:23 AM; Representative Griffin questioned the frequency of dam inspections and the annual registration fees, expressing concern that fees should be tied to inspections. The discussion included the services provided to dam owners and the need for regular maintenance.
HB2: Randy Pelia, Director of the Water Division Information Only01:20:12.560 - 10:19:28 AM; Randy Pelia explained the services provided to dam owners, including inspections and maintenance, and the challenges posed by aging dams. The discussion covered the frequency of inspections and the need for emergency action plans.
HB2: Representative Griffin Information Only01:21:16.800 - 10:20:32 AM; Representative Griffin reiterated concerns about annual fees not being tied to inspections, suggesting that fees should be directly related to the inspection services provided.
HB2: Representative R Information Only01:25:56.440 - 10:25:12 AM; Representative R agreed with Representative Griffin's concerns about frequent inspections and suggested that dam owners should bear the cost of additional inspections. The discussion clarified the tiered fee structure based on hazard classification.
HB2: Representative Run Information Only01:27:07.320 - 10:26:23 AM; Representative Run discussed the voter registration fee increase, clarifying that the entire fee would increase by $3, with the additional amount going to DES for two positions. The discussion included comparisons with neighboring states' fees.
HB2: Mike Whimsat Information Only01:31:40.320 - 10:30:56 AM; Mike Whimsat explained the hazardous waste generator fee, which has not been adjusted since 2007, and the proposed increase to 12 cents per pound. The discussion covered the fund's use for hazardous waste cleanup and household hazardous waste programs.
HB2: Mike Whimsat Information Only01:35:47.600 - 10:35:03 AM; Mike Whimsat detailed the hazardous waste full quantity generator certification fee, which has not been increased since 2007, and the proposed increase to reflect inflation. The discussion included the program's popularity and effectiveness.
HB2: Mike Whimsat Information Only01:37:53.440 - 10:37:09 AM; Mike Whimsat discussed the hazardous waste small quantity generator certification fee, which is collected every three years, and the proposed increase from $90 to $140 per year. The discussion covered the self-certification process and random audits.
HB2: Mike Whimsat Information Only01:42:19.920 - 10:41:35 AM; Mike Whimsat explained the automotive oil fee, which has not been adjusted since 2007, and the proposed increase from two cents to five cents per gallon. The discussion included the fee's collection at the point of import and its use for used oil programs.
HB2: Susan Carlson with DES Information Only01:43:54.159 - 10:43:10 AM; Susan Carlson clarified the timing of the voter registration fee increase, explaining that the revenue would be collected in FY26 but expended in FY27 due to the dedicated fund's structure.
HB2: Representative Leechman Information Only01:45:24.960 - 10:44:40 AM; Representative Leechman confirmed that the automotive oil fee applies to all internal combustion engines, including those used by trucking companies, and is collected at the wholesale level.
HB2: Chief Justice Information Only01:49:46.280 - 10:49:02 AM; The Chief Justice presented proposed fee increases for the judicial branch, including entry fees and records retrieval fees, which had not been adjusted since 2013 and 2014, respectively. The discussion included the expected revenue increase and the implementation timeline.
HB2: Chief Justice Information Only01:49:46.280 - 10:49:02 AM; The Chief Justice concluded their discussion on the topic of retirement, specifically addressing the issue of the search charge. They explained that the search charge is not itemized when charging individuals and discussed the possibility of eliminating it to simplify the process. They noted that if the search charge were removed, they would reassess the fees, and suggested that the committee could decide to not apply the charge to certain types of cases if deemed appropriate. The Chief Justice also mentioned that the statute related to the search charge is RSA490:26-a.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only01:56:05.840 - 10:55:21 AM; The speaker continued the discussion on the search charge, questioning its itemization and suggesting that eliminating it and increasing other fees by the same amount could simplify the process. They noted that the search charge had not been reviewed since 2009 and suggested that the committee consider eliminating it through an amendment to House Bill 2. They also pointed out that certain types of cases, such as those involving children under three, domestic violence, small claims, landlord-tenant, and stalking, are exempt from the search charge.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only02:00:33.440 - 10:59:49 AM; The speaker further discussed the implications of removing the search charge, noting that it would reduce the total amount collected for the general fund by $568,275. They emphasized that if the search charge were eliminated, a reassessment of fees would be necessary. The speaker also mentioned that the committee could decide to exempt certain types of cases from the charge if they deemed it appropriate.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only02:01:18.800 - 11:00:34 AM; The speaker suggested that the committee could vote to repeal the statute related to the search charge and accept the proposed fees. They mentioned that an amendment would be necessary to remove the section of the statute, and the Chief Justice would need to redo their chart to reflect the changes. The speaker proposed a motion to move forward with the presented changes, with the understanding that an amendment would be made to remove the search charge section.
HB2: Charlie Arlinghouse, Commissioner of Administrative Services Information Only03:18:54.640 - 12:18:10 PM; Commissioner Charlie Arlinghouse, along with Deputy Commissioner Cassie Keane and Assistant Commissioner Cherry Rockburn, discussed retiree health benefits and budget issues. They explained the transition from being self-insured to fully insured to take advantage of federal money, and the need to continually re-evaluate this decision based on changes in Washington, D.C. They highlighted the upcoming CMS call letter on April 7th, which would affect the per member rate for retiree health, projecting an increase from $65 to $115. Arlinghouse proposed a 10-year smoothing approach to manage the reserve funds, which would result in a general fund savings in the first year and modest savings for self-funded agencies in the second year. They also clarified that the state has never funded an OPEB trust for retiree health benefits and operates on a pay-as-you-go basis.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:35:07.840 - 12:34:23 PM; The speaker asked about the smoothing approach proposed by Commissioner Arlinghouse, questioning if it was similar to treating post-employment medical benefits like pension benefits. Arlinghouse clarified that the state does not have a trusted OPEB for retiree health and operates on a pay-as-you-go basis. He explained that the smoothing would involve applying a diminishing portion of the reserve to the plan as revenue over 10 years, and that the decision to remain fully insured would be re-evaluated annually based on changes in Washington, D.C.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:40:13.439 - 12:39:29 PM; The speaker continued discussing the federal reimbursement mechanisms related to retirement health benefits, highlighting the benefits of leveraging tax dollars sent to Washington and bringing them back to the state. They mentioned Linda Hodson from Epsom's budget committee as an example of valuable contribution to this effort.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:41:19.520 - 12:40:35 PM; The speaker provided detailed information about the retiree health program, explaining the division of costs between Medicare-eligible and non-Medicare-eligible retirees. They noted that the budget covers the entire retiree health program, with costs split roughly evenly between the two groups, although the number of non-Medicare retirees is significantly lower.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:42:33.120 - 12:41:49 PM; The speaker clarified that pre-Medicare eligible retirees are treated similarly to active employees under the Anthem contract, receiving the same group health plan. Upon turning 65, retirees transition to Medicare, with the state covering their Part B premium and additional Medicare-eligible costs, including co-pays and deductibles.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:43:44.000 - 12:43:00 PM; The speaker discussed the possibility of offering Medicare-eligible retirees a stipend instead of a Medicare Advantage plan, allowing them to purchase supplemental plans. They mentioned past discussions on this topic and the political challenges of changing the retiree health benefit to a cash stipend.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:44:47.680 - 12:44:03 PM; The speaker elaborated on the political controversy surrounding changes to the retiree health benefit, noting the SEA's strong belief in maintaining the current benefit. They discussed the potential for a voucher system and its budgetary advantages but highlighted the uncertainty and political challenges it presents.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:46:54.080 - 12:46:10 PM; The speaker discussed the potential cost savings for retirees if they were allowed to opt out of the state's Medicare Advantage plan and use a stipend to purchase private insurance. They also clarified that the retiree health program covers spouses and is only for state retirees, with specific eligibility criteria.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:48:55.760 - 12:48:11 PM; The speaker provided further details on the retiree health program, discussing the eligibility requirements and the composition of retirees, particularly those under 65. They noted the decreasing number of retirees eligible for early retirement and the associated costs.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:49:50.319 - 12:49:06 PM; The speaker discussed the impact of recent retirement changes on the number of retirees eligible for the retiree health program under 65. They noted the disproportionate cost of the benefit for this group and the potential future trends.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:52:10.319 - 12:51:26 PM; The speaker discussed the coverage of retirees living out of state under the state's Medicare Advantage plan, emphasizing the need for coverage in any state due to the high number of retirees in Florida and other states. They mentioned an upcoming amendment to address long-term financial health.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:54:12.560 - 12:53:28 PM; The speaker proposed an amendment to phase out the retiree health benefit for non-Medicare eligible retirees over time by increasing the years of service required annually. They acknowledged the complexity of the statutes and the need for time to draft the amendment.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:55:21.199 - 12:54:37 PM; The speaker discussed the generosity of the retiree health plan compared to traditional Medicare Advantage plans, confirming the existence of deductibles and co-pays. They also mentioned the budget's zeroing out of cost containment positions and the implications for revenue collection.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:57:26.239 - 12:56:42 PM; The speaker explained the budget's impact on cost containment, noting the reduction in positions and the potential need to hire if the policy is reversed. They highlighted the lag in revenue collection and the need to ramp up hiring.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:59:26.000 - 12:58:42 PM; The speaker discussed the budget implications of cost containment, noting the decline in revenue collection and the need to adjust the budget accordingly. They emphasized the importance of understanding the budget spend and revenue collection.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:22:17.840 - 1:21:33 PM; The speaker discussed scheduling conflicts and the need for additional working days to finalize the budget. They mentioned that the speaker refused to give them Wednesday off, which would have provided four more days to work. As a result, they have three working days left, including the rest of the current day, Friday, Monday, and Tuesday. The speaker anticipated that Monday and Tuesday might be long days due to the need to communicate with other divisions and balance the budget. They also mentioned the possibility of late nights and bringing in pizza to facilitate the work.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:23:37.920 - 1:22:53 PM; The speaker continued discussing the scheduling and budget preparation, noting that the Legislative Budget Assistant (LBA) was against working on Friday as they needed Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday to prepare for the full house presentation on Monday. They mentioned that Friday would only be a half-day, and they have bills to consider on Monday morning. The speaker also talked about starting work at 9:00 AM for a few days to accommodate the schedule.
HB2: Representative Griffin Information Only04:24:50.080 - 1:24:06 PM; Representative Griffin suggested starting work at 9:00 AM for a few days, acknowledging that this might not be suitable for everyone, especially those from Coos County. The suggestion was accepted, and the calendar was adjusted accordingly. The speaker also discussed the schedule for full finance meetings and the execution days, noting that there would be no session on April 3rd.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:27:01.359 - 1:26:17 PM; The speaker discussed the target amount for cuts from the governor's budget, mentioning a figure of 770 million, excluding gambling revenue. They aimed to bring in 200 million for their division and mentioned plans for corrections and other budget items like the renewable energy fund. They also noted that no agencies had been invited to speak on their budget yet.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:28:25.680 - 1:27:41 PM; The speaker confirmed that the 200 million target would include increased revenues from fees, such as those voted on that day. They mentioned that Jack would provide a list of prepared items for discussion and suggested a back-of-the-budget cut for the legislative branch and the office of the governor to show solidarity.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:29:39.920 - 1:28:55 PM; The speaker introduced amendment 1088, which proposed a $500,000 annual back-of-the-budget cut for the legislative branch. They discussed the total funding for the legislative branch and the potential for a larger cut if necessary. The amendment was moved and seconded, and it passed unanimously.
HB2: Representative Campbell Information Only04:33:52.879 - 1:33:08 PM; Representative Campbell moved amendment 1089 to House Bill 1, which proposed a $50,000 annual cut to the governor's budget. They discussed the budget details, noting a significant increase in spending and the token nature of the proposed cut. The amendment was seconded and passed unanimously.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:34:38.080 - 1:33:54 PM; The speaker clarified the budget details for the executive office, noting that the proposed cut was from accounting unit 1036 on page 14. They discussed the executive office budget, which included the office of the governor and other line items. The speaker moved to accept the governor's executive office budget, including the amendment, and it was seconded and passed unanimously.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:41:09.680 - 1:40:25 PM; The speaker discussed the confusion around the funding for retirement in the governor's budget, which was listed in two places. An amendment to HB1 was proposed to remove the duplicate funding from the treasurer's account, as it was also listed in the surplus statement for House Bill 2. The actuarial analysis showed a need to adjust the figures to reflect a more accurate annual contribution of 27.5 million dollars.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:42:16.638 - 1:41:32 PM; The speaker continued to clarify the adjustments needed for the retirement funding, emphasizing that the amendment to HB1 was not about removing retirement funding but correcting a budgeting error. The committee had already voted on other items like travel and tourism, the repeal of the housing appeals board, and adjustments to the Canon Mountain funds.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:43:21.120 - 1:42:37 PM; The speaker provided an overview of the financial adjustments made to HB2, including the retirement appropriation and the YDC fund settlement. They also mentioned the removal of language regarding the sale of the Laconia property from HB2, which would affect future fiscal years.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:44:28.080 - 1:43:44 PM; The speaker moved to vote on the amendment to HB1, which was intended to correct the double counting of retirement funds. The amendment was seconded, and it was clarified that this was not about removing retirement funding but fixing a budgeting error.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:45:15.680 - 1:44:31 PM; The speaker confirmed the clarification about the amendment to HB1 and noted that the committee had saved 70 million dollars, with 130 million more needed before new spending could be considered.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:46:02.878 - 1:45:18 PM; The speaker discussed the governor's scholarship fund, which was on the agenda for potential amendments. There was confusion about the availability of amendment documents, and the speaker explained the scholarship program's details, including its funding and eligibility criteria.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:47:08.480 - 1:46:24 PM; The speaker continued to discuss the governor's scholarship fund, highlighting its financial aspects and the commitments made. There was a discussion about the fund's balance and its ability to meet past commitments.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:48:47.520 - 1:48:03 PM; The speaker provided more details on the scholarship program, including its funding entirely by general funds and the eligibility criteria for students. There was a discussion about the potential impact of not funding the program further.
HB2: Representative Campbell Support04:53:53.600 - 1:53:09 PM; Representative Campbell supported the scholarship program, emphasizing its importance for first-year students applying to New Hampshire colleges. They noted the declining student population and the growing balance of the fund, suggesting that the fund was sufficient to meet current needs.
HB2: Representative R Support04:55:00.718 - 1:54:16 PM; Representative R supported the scholarship program, highlighting its broader impact on raising educational standards and keeping talented students in New Hampshire. They argued that the program not only benefits the recipients but also influences their peers to strive for higher academic achievements.
HB2: Representative Muns Support04:55:33.280 - 1:54:49 PM; Representative Muns supported the scholarship program, correcting the understanding of its duration and emphasizing its role in combating brain drain. They shared a personal anecdote about their niece choosing a college outside New Hampshire due to cost, underscoring the need for such programs to retain talent within the state.
HB2: Representative Campbell Support04:57:55.840 - 1:57:11 PM; Representative Campbell supports the views of Representatives Mun and Run, advocating for doubling the scholarship amounts for students. He argues that the fund is well-funded and can afford to pause contributions for two years without affecting its surplus. He believes that resuming contributions in three years would be feasible if the fiscal crisis is averted.
HB2: Representative Wiler Information Only04:59:01.840 - 1:58:17 PM; Representative Wiler discusses his experience with scholarship funds, noting that small scholarships are often not worth the effort for students. He mentions that his organization increased scholarship amounts to $500, but still, no one applies, indicating the challenge in attracting applicants with small awards.
HB2: Representative Now Information Only05:00:19.120 - 1:59:35 PM; Representative Now questions the accuracy of the ending balance number for the scholarship fund, expressing concern that the reported commitments for 2023 seem low compared to previous years. He seeks clarification on the actual payouts.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:01:15.120 - 2:00:31 PM; The speaker discusses the constraints of the current scholarship program, noting that the treasurer mentioned a lack of applicants due to tight eligibility parameters. They suggest that changing these requirements could increase participation and that the fund currently has a surplus of $10 to $12 million.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Oppose05:02:30.760 - 2:01:46 PM; The speaker argues against the scholarship fund, questioning the justification of using public funds for young adults in the prime of life, especially when other budget areas like division three face cuts. They find it hard to justify the fund's continuation.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:03:59.040 - 2:03:15 PM; The speaker clarifies that the amendment under discussion proposes to halt contributions to the fund for the next two years, not to empty it out. They emphasize that the discussion is about not adding more money to the fund for the current biennium.
HB2: Representative Run Support05:05:11.440 - 2:04:27 PM; Representative Run highlights the broader impact of the New Hampshire scholars program, which not only provides scholarships but also raises curriculum and graduation standards, and establishes behavioral expectations for students. He notes that many students benefit from the program even if they do not apply for scholarships.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:06:34.080 - 2:05:50 PM; The speaker moves an amendment to remove $2.7 million a year from the general fund for the scholarship program, which is seconded. The vote results in six in favor and three opposed.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:07:39.000 - 2:06:55 PM; The speaker discusses the New Hampshire Retirement System's request for additional employees, noting that these employees are not state employees and thus not listed in the budget book. They mention that the system's budget is approved by its board, and the committee cannot control their positions or budget.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:08:46.958 - 2:08:02 PM; The speaker discusses a bill related to liquor enforcement, mentioning that Representatives Leechman and Griffin had proposed it in previous years. The bill suggests removing group two employees from liquor licensing and renaming the enforcement division to the licensing division.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:10:00.240 - 2:09:16 PM; The speaker notes that the liquor enforcement division was only covering about half of the 1400 places serving alcohol annually, with some places visited excessively. They question the effectiveness of the division and estimate the cost of the positions at around $3 million a year.
HB2: Representative Griffin Information Only05:11:03.280 - 2:10:19 PM; Representative Griffin recalls a previous budget discussion where the liquor commission wanted to establish a police force, which was removed from the budget. He notes that the current proposal seems to be a continuation of that effort.
HB2: Representative Wiler Oppose05:12:24.080 - 2:11:40 PM; Representative Wiler criticizes the liquor enforcement division for trying to act as a police force, which he believes is not their intended role. He mentions that they were supposed to provide quarterly updates on their activities but failed to do so effectively.
HB2: Representative Mun Information Only05:13:34.000 - 2:12:50 PM; Representative Mun questions whether the employees affected by the proposed changes would be laid off or transferred to other departments like corrections. He notes that these employees have been to the academy and could apply for other positions.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:14:42.878 - 2:13:58 PM; The speaker discusses the amendment's text, questioning the enforcement process and who would handle violations. They note that the licensing specialists would observe violations and pass them on to other authorities, such as the Department of Justice or local law enforcement.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:15:48.798 - 2:15:04 PM; The speaker clarifies that the licensing division already exists and has the power to suspend or revoke licenses. They discuss the amendment's impact on enforcement, noting that the division would not arrest people but would handle violations through licensing actions.
HB2: Representative Run Information Only05:16:54.718 - 2:16:10 PM; Representative Run expresses confusion about the amendment's enforcement procedures, noting that it mentions various authorities but does not clearly define their roles. He questions how different violations would be treated under the new system.
HB2: Representative Griffin Information Only05:18:04.958 - 2:17:20 PM; Representative Griffin explains that typically, violations result in license suspensions of varying lengths based on the severity of the violation. He argues that a separate police force for the liquor commission is unnecessary given existing law enforcement resources.
HB2: Representative Wiler Information Only05:19:12.000 - 2:18:28 PM; Representative Wiler compares the liquor commission's enforcement to the Department of Revenue Administration's handling of cigarette seizures, noting that they operate without police powers but through licensing actions.
HB2: Representative Munz Information Only05:20:18.958 - 2:19:34 PM; Representative Munz inquires if the liquor commission has reviewed the proposed changes and their practicality. He notes that the commission was not happy with the changes but did not provide detailed feedback on potential issues.
HB2: Representative R Information Only05:21:27.440 - 2:20:43 PM; Representative R expresses support for the amendment but wishes for clearer guidance on how criminal violations would be handled, suggesting that the licensed specialists should contact local police departments for such cases.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:22:53.760 - 2:22:09 PM; The speaker moves amendment 1115H to House Bill 2, which is seconded. They note a date correction needed on the amendment and discuss the effective date for different sections of the bill.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:24:00.080 - 2:23:16 PM; The speaker clarifies that the amendment to House Bill 1 involves adding positions to be removed, not removing existing ones. They discuss the effective date and financial impact of the changes.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:24:48.600 - 2:24:04 PM; The speaker explains that the amendments to House Bill 1 and House Bill 2 can be voted on separately, with House Bill 2 changing the division's name and House Bill 1 removing enforcement positions. They discuss the timing of layoffs and the effective date of the amendments.
HB2: Representative Sweeney Information Only05:25:59.280 - 2:25:15 PM; Representative Sweeney clarifies that only section 9 of the amendment takes effect on January 1, 2026, while other sections take effect when the budget does, on July 1. He explains the reason for the delayed effective date for law enforcement powers.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:26:50.798 - 2:26:06 PM; The speaker confirms that the commission will maintain some enforcement capabilities through its investigators, but in a licensing capacity similar to OPLC, without group two employees for arrests.
HB2: Representative Evil Oppose05:28:12.240 - 2:27:28 PM; Representative Evil expresses a lack of preparedness to vote in favor of the amendment due to insufficient understanding of the issue, despite acknowledging the potential merits of the proposal.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:29:24.798 - 2:28:40 PM; The speaker discusses the vote on the liquor commission's budget, noting that automatic payments to the granite advantage program and drug and alcohol fund may be changed by a subsequent amendment. The vote results in seven in favor and two opposed.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:30:36.400 - 2:29:52 PM; The speaker moves to approve the rest of the liquor commission's budget with the caveat that automatic payments may be changed. The vote results in seven in favor and two opposed.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:31:48.558 - 2:31:04 PM; The speaker discusses House Bill 54, which involves alternative treatment centers and the Secretary of State. They move amendment 1045H, which allows these centers to remain nonprofits, and it is seconded.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:31:48.558 - 2:31:04 PM; The speaker concluded their testimony at 05:31:48.558, discussing the ongoing session about retirement and bill HB2.
HB2: Rep Jack Information Only05:34:41.920 - 2:33:57 PM; Rep Jack suggested removing section 9 of the amendment to change the effective date to upon the signature of the budget, rather than 60 days after passage. This amendment was then voted on and passed with 8 in favor and 1 against.
HB2: Representative Campbell Information Only05:35:30.000 - 2:34:46 PM; Representative Campbell acknowledged the vote on amendment 1045H without section 9.
HB2: Representative Magguire Information Only05:36:07.520 - 2:35:23 PM; Representative Magguire pointed out a clerical error in a previously voted amendment, correcting 'means and rooms' to 'meals and rooms'. This was noted as a cleanup and would be reflected in the full session packet.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:37:39.120 - 2:36:55 PM; The speaker introduced House Bill 581, which proposes a defined contribution pension plan for new state employees starting work on or after January 1st. The bill was previously tabled in the House with no recommendation, and the speaker explained the changes made to the bill, including a fixed contribution rate to address the unfunded liability of the existing retirement plan.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:40:26.320 - 2:39:42 PM; The speaker continued to clarify that the new pension plan would only apply to new state employees and not to existing employees or other groups like municipal employees or teachers. They also explained the financial implications of the bill, including contributions from both the employee and employer towards the new plan and the unfunded liability of the existing plan.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:43:17.440 - 2:42:33 PM; The speaker further detailed the specifics of House Bill 581, emphasizing that it would affect only those starting state employment after January 1st, 2026. They outlined the contribution rates for both employees and employers under the new plan and highlighted the financial burden of the current retirement system due to contributions towards both current benefits and unfunded liabilities.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:44:40.000 - 2:43:56 PM; The speaker discusses the investment options available under the proposed retirement plan, comparing it to the existing deferred compensation plan. They clarify that the new plan will be managed by the same entity as the current plan and will offer similar investment options, such as mutual funds. The plan does not affect municipalities, though there is an expressed interest in including them in the future.
HB2: Representative Griffin Information Only05:46:41.840 - 2:45:57 PM; Representative Griffin inquires about the possibility of municipalities joining the retirement plan. It is clarified that currently, municipalities cannot join, but this could be considered in future legislative sessions. The speaker emphasizes the benefits of defined contribution plans over defined benefit plans, especially for employees who do not stay long enough to vest in the latter.
HB2: Representative Leechman Oppose05:49:05.520 - 2:48:21 PM; Representative Leechman receives a text message from Representative Pearson, who claims that House Bill 581 would add to the pension debt. The speaker disagrees, arguing that the proposed plan does not add to the pension debt and actually benefits employees by allowing them to keep their contributions if they leave before 10 years of service. The discussion revolves around the fairness and financial impact of the proposed changes.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Oppose05:51:05.280 - 2:50:21 PM; The speaker argues against including the retirement amendment in HB2, suggesting it should be debated and voted on separately on the House floor. They feel it's disingenuous to slip it into HB2 without a full debate, and they will vote against it.
HB2: Representative Olette Support05:53:09.440 - 2:52:25 PM; Representative Olette discusses an amendment related to the Bureau of Trails, specifically about changing the grant percentages from 60% to 80% for equipment used in maintaining snowmobile trails. This amendment, supported by DNCR, aims to enhance the support for trail maintenance without increasing the overall grant budget. The speaker emphasizes the importance of supporting ATV and snowmobile clubs for maintaining good relations with private landowners.
HB2: Representative R Support05:55:38.000 - 2:54:54 PM; Representative R supports the amendment for increasing the grant percentages for trail maintenance, citing the importance of these trails and the clubs that maintain them for the state's interests.
HB2: Unnamed Speaker Information Only05:56:53.760 - 2:56:09 PM; The speaker introduces an amendment to repeal the Human Rights Commission, citing a poor performance audit and suggesting that individuals would be better served by going directly to court. The amendment would save costs and allow current cases to proceed without fees or statute of limitations concerns.