Committee Summary for House Resources, Recreation and Development (01/15/2025)

Bill/Time	Type	Title	Sponsor
Unclear 00:09:58.160 - 8:39:09 AM	General Working Session	Unclear
HB113 00:37:36.200 - 9:06:47 AM	General Working Session	relative to OHRV operation on certain highways within the town of Windsor.	Colcombe, Riché(R)[A-]2024
HB113 01:02:07.200 - 9:31:18 AM	Public Hearing	relative to OHRV operation on certain highways within the town of Windsor.	Colcombe, Riché(R)[A-]2024
HB127 01:09:05.640 - 9:38:16 AM	Public Hearing	extending the closing date of the OHRV trails on the Connecticut River Headwaters property from September 30 to Columbus Day.	Ouellet, Mike(R)[B+]2024
HB174 02:40:51.040 - 11:10:02 AM	Public Hearing	increasing the maximum weight of a utility terrain vehicle to 3,500 pounds unladen dry weight.	Ouellet, Mike(R)[B+]2024
HB203 03:48:30.439 - 12:17:41 PM	Public Hearing	relative to coast guard approved personal flotation devices while on New Hampshire state waters.	MacDonald, John(R)[B+]2024

Unclear: Bob Har, Chair of Resources Recreation Development Committee Information Only00:09:58.160 - 8:39:09 AM; Bob Har, as the chair, welcomed everyone to the committee orientation session. He mentioned that the committee researcher and clerk, Representative Dunn, were undergoing training next door and would join the session later. He started the meeting with the Pledge of Allegiance and assigned Representative Sergeant to handle the blue sheets. He also explained the process for witnesses to fill out pink cards for testimony arrangement and mentioned a security issue to discuss later.
Unclear: Tom Buo, Representative from Conway, Carroll County District 1 Information Only00:13:19.560 - 8:42:30 AM; Tom Buo introduced himself as a representative from Conway, noting he asked to be on the committee due to his town's recent master plan focusing on protecting the aquifer. He believed that understanding the issues before the committee would be beneficial for his local efforts.
Unclear: Susanne Vil, Representative from Nashua Information Only00:14:11.600 - 8:43:22 AM; Susanne Vil shared that she asked to be on the committee for her third term. She mentioned her background of growing up in state parks and being part of a family committed to protecting clean water in Nashua, which motivated her to join the committee.
Unclear: Linda Gould, Representative from Bedford Information Only00:15:00.279 - 8:44:11 AM; Linda Gould, serving her sixth term on the resources committee, introduced herself as a dedicated bicyclist who has traveled around the world. She expressed her love for outdoor activities like hiking and kayaking, which influenced her decision to join the committee.
Unclear: Heather Baldwin, Representative from Thornton, Waterville, and Ellsworth Information Only00:15:00.279 - 8:44:11 AM; Heather Baldwin, who asked to be on the committee, highlighted her 50-year residence on a 100-acre farm near the White Mountains, surrounded by National Forest. Despite her district lacking significant water bodies except the Pemigewasset River, she found the committee a good fit and expressed her enthusiasm to be part of it.
Unclear: Arnold Davis, Representative from Milan to Pittsburg Information Only00:15:48.199 - 8:44:59 AM; Arnold Davis, representing Milan to Pittsburg, stated he asked to be on the committee because it aligns well with his background as a 'hick from Coos County.' He expressed happiness in joining the committee.
Unclear: Alison Nab, Representative from Stratham Information Only00:15:48.199 - 8:44:59 AM; Alison Nab, representing Stratham, mentioned her previous term on the environment and agriculture committee and her decision to join the resources committee. She is involved with her town's select board and serves as a liaison for the recreation and conservation commission. Additionally, she works with the Great Bay Stewards and is concerned about PFAS issues in her town.
Unclear: Tanya Donnelly, Representative from Salem Information Only00:16:30.079 - 8:45:41 AM; Tanya Donnelly, in her second term on the committee, expressed her enjoyment and commitment to continue serving. She mentioned her initial motivation to become a state representative was due to concerns about PFAS and water quality, living near a water supply in Salem. She is passionate about protecting various lakes in New Hampshire.
Unclear: Linda Ryan, Representative from Nashua Information Only00:16:30.079 - 8:45:41 AM; Linda Ryan, in her second time on the resources committee, introduced herself as a retired science teacher, which she felt was a good fit for the committee. She also mentioned her past role as a conservation commissioner.
Unclear: Nicholas Bridal, Representative from Hampton Information Only00:17:20.319 - 8:46:31 AM; Nicholas Bridal introduced himself as a freshman representative and mentioned his connection to Hampton Beach, having grown up on Route 1A. He expressed his passion for the beach and his reason for choosing to serve on the committee.
Unclear: Will Derby, Representative from Nashua Information Only00:18:05.440 - 8:47:16 AM; Will Derby, in his second term, shared his previous involvement with the resources and fishing and game committees. He mentioned his role on the Conservation Commission and Energy and Environment Committee in Nashua, as well as his personal interest in outdoor activities, which motivated him to serve on the committee.
Unclear: Brian Taylor, Representative from Carroll County Information Only00:18:51.120 - 8:48:02 AM; Brian Taylor, a freshman representative from Carroll County, introduced himself and spoke about representing eight towns in the Lakes Region. He expressed his appreciation for the area and his desire to maintain the local way of life.
Unclear: Bob Harb, Representative from Plaistow, Newton, and Southampton Information Only00:19:36.200 - 8:48:47 AM; Bob Harb, in his fourth term and former vice chair, introduced himself and shared his background as a real estate attorney, which he felt was relevant to the committee's focus on resources. He also mentioned his involvement in equestrian activities and his interest in trail-related legislation. Harb emphasized the committee's friendly nature and high rate of passing bills, and shared personal news about becoming a grandfather again.
Unclear: Bob Harb, Representative from Plaistow, Newton, and Southampton Information Only00:22:00.080 - 8:51:11 AM; Bob Harb continued discussing the committee's operations, including the scheduling of bills and the role of the committee assistant, Jamie Wyman. He mentioned the procedure for handling bills and the importance of timely communication with committee members, providing his email for direct contact. He also outlined the committee's approach to hearings and executive sessions.
Unclear: Bob Harb, Representative from Plaistow, Newton, and Southampton Information Only00:23:34.480 - 8:52:45 AM; Bob Harb responded to a procedural question about handling pink cards during hearings and discussed the use of drawers for committee members to store items. He emphasized the importance of adhering to scheduled times for hearings and the flexibility needed to accommodate varying levels of testimony.
Unclear: Bob Harb, Representative from Plaistow, Newton, and Southampton Information Only00:29:01.120 - 8:58:12 AM; Bob Harb continued discussing the committee's operations, including the scheduling of hearings and the role of the committee assistant. He mentioned the committee's plan to start hearings at 10:00 AM and aim to finish by 4:00 PM, and the need to wait for the committee assistant who was with the clerks.
Unclear: Ré Culcom, Representative from Hillsborough, Windsor, Antrim, and Bennington Support00:31:18.840 - 9:00:29 AM; Ré Culcom introduced HB 1113, which aims to allow OHRV operation on a specific portion of a state road within Windsor. He explained that Windsor residents currently use OHRVs on town roads and need legal access across the state road to connect different parts of the town. Culcom detailed the small size of Windsor, the minimal impact expected from the bill, and the positive feedback from local residents and authorities.
Unclear: Unnamed Representative Information Only00:36:00.760 - 9:05:11 AM; An unnamed representative asked about the Department of Transportation's role in the proposed bill, to which Ré Culcom responded that the select board must first hold a public hearing, and the DOT might weigh in, but the state road usage must be legislated into the RSA.
Unclear: Representative Davis Information Only00:37:04.400 - 9:06:15 AM; Representative Davis inquired about the speed limit on the affected road section, to which Ré Culcom responded that it is generally 25 mph with a possible section at 35 mph, noting the road's straight visibility.
HB113: Representative Davis Information Only00:37:36.200 - 9:06:47 AM; Representative Davis clarified that the Selectmen have approved the use of OHVs on other town roads but are still discussing approval for state roads. They are obligated to notify abutters and hold a public hearing before making a decision on the state roads.
HB113: Representative Ghou Information Only00:38:22.079 - 9:07:33 AM; Representative Ghou inquired about the condition of the roads in question, specifically whether they were paved. The response confirmed that the roads are paved, with a small section of Windsor Road and Black Pond Road being paved.
HB113: Unnamed Speaker Information Only00:39:08.079 - 9:08:19 AM; The speaker mentioned a similar situation in Gorham where OHVs come out of Jericho Park and use the state roads. They noted the absence of an organized club in Windsor to manage any trail systems, unlike in Gorham, and mentioned that there is no draw for tourism in Windsor.
HB113: Representative Vale Information Only00:40:43.680 - 9:09:54 AM; Representative Vale asked about the expected OHV traffic if the bill were signed into law. The response indicated that no specific study numbers were available, but it was predicted that the traffic would not differ significantly from current levels, as it would be limited to specific residents.
HB113: Representative Taylor Information Only00:42:10.319 - 9:11:21 AM; Representative Taylor questioned what would happen to the legislation if the Select Board decided not to support it. The response was that if the Select Board decided against it, the bill would be recommended to be killed, but so far, everything has been positive.
HB113: Representative Taylor Information Only00:42:56.000 - 9:12:07 AM; Representative Taylor also asked about winter maintenance of the roads. The response clarified that the town is responsible for winter maintenance, while the state takes care of summer maintenance. The speaker also mentioned that OHVs are lighter than regular vehicles, which could help keep maintenance costs down for the town of Windsor.
HB113: Anne Davis, Resident of Wilmot and Springfield Oppose00:44:46.680 - 9:13:57 AM; Anne Davis, a resident of Wilmot and Springfield, and a member of the House Bill 1188 Commission, opposed House Bill 113. She noted that the sponsor provided more detail to the committee than to the commission. Davis highlighted concerns about law enforcement capabilities in Windsor and the lack of clear notification processes for abutters as required by RSA. She felt that without proper discussion and detail at the commission, the bill should not be approved at this time.
HB113: David Rodrig, Assistant Commissioner for the Department of Transportation Information Only00:48:41.240 - 9:17:52 AM; David Rodrig from the Department of Transportation provided testimony on House Bill 113, stating that the department does not take a position on the bill but has concerns. He noted that the bill, as written, would allow OHV use on state roads without the required public process. He recommended changes to ensure public notification, hearings, and the ability to close roads if needed. He also suggested an alternative of reclassifying the roads to allow for OHV use under existing laws.
HB113: Abby Ivanko, Resident of Gorham Oppose00:54:09.880 - 9:23:20 AM; Abby Ivanko, a resident of Gorham and member of various commissions and boards, opposed House Bill 113. She cited issues with OHV trails in residential areas and the lack of adherence to trail sighting standards in RSA 215-A:41-43. Ivanko argued that the bill does not provide for abutter notification and highlighted the negative experiences of residents in other towns with OHV trails. She recommended sending the bill to the OHV Commission for evaluation.
HB113: Mike Wette, Chair of the HB 1188 Commission Information Only00:58:58.640 - 9:28:09 AM; Mike Wette, the chair of the HB 1188 Commission, provided information on the commission's duties and scope. He clarified that the commission is a study committee tasked with examining various aspects of OHV use but cannot introduce legislation itself. He confirmed that reviewing proposed legislation is within the commission's scope.
HB113: Claude Pigeon Information Only01:01:29.960 - 9:30:40 AM; Claude Pigeon spoke briefly but did not provide enough content to summarize fully within the given snippet.
HB113: Claude Pigeon, Berlin Oppose01:02:07.200 - 9:31:18 AM; Claude Pigeon, a resident of Berlin and a member of the study committee, expressed his concerns about HB113. He highlighted the potential for the bill to lead to unintended consequences, such as the expansion of trail networks beyond their intended use. Pigeon noted that off-roaders typically prefer loop trails, and the creation of connectors could lead to the development of new nodes and circuits, potentially impacting areas like Windsor, which has youth camps and B&Bs that may not favor increased OHV activity. He also raised concerns about the lack of mechanisms in the bill to control traffic volume increases and the use of ATVs for non-recreational purposes, which he believes goes against the original intent of the vehicles.
HB127: Representative Willette Support01:09:05.640 - 9:38:16 AM; Representative Willette introduced HB127, which aims to keep two sections of trail on the Connecticut River Headwaters land open until Columbus Day, aligning with other trails in the area. He emphasized the importance of these trails for connecting over 800 miles of trails, crucial for the North Country's economy, which heavily relies on tourism and ATV-related activities. Willette highlighted the economic impact of extending the season by 8 to 13 days, potentially adding $9 million per weekend to the local economy. He also addressed law enforcement concerns, noting arrangements made with the Coos County Sheriff's Department to cover the extended period, and provided support from local authorities like the Pittsburgh police chief.
HB127: Representative Sergeant Information Only01:19:34.199 - 9:48:45 AM; Representative Sergeant inquired about the statutory basis for trail opening and closing times, noting that the statute does not specify other time periods. Representative Willette explained that while there's no law mandating closure dates, most trails in the North Country close on Columbus Day due to hunting season and landowner requests.
HB127: Representative NAB Information Only01:20:35.239 - 9:49:46 AM; Representative NAB asked about the Headwaters Advisory Council's stance on HB127. Representative Willette responded that the council did not support the legislation at their last meeting, but he argued that the change proposed by the bill was minor and logical for supporting the North Country's economy. He also clarified that trail maintenance typically does not occur in the fall to keep the woods open for hunters.
HB127: Representative Darby Information Only01:22:54.560 - 9:52:05 AM; Representative Darby questioned whether HB127 would usurp the conservation easement's intent, given that OHV use is considered a secondary use. Representative Willette argued that the conservation easement was established before the widespread use of ATVs, suggesting that the document is adaptable to evolving circumstances, including negotiations on timber harvesting and other uses.
HB127: Craig Reny, Chief of the Bureau of Trails at DNCR Information Only01:24:43.080 - 9:53:54 AM; Craig Reny from the Department of Natural and Cultural Resources (DNCR) provided background information on the Connecticut Lakes Headwater property in relation to HB127. He mentioned that DNCR does not take a position on the bill but wanted to inform the committee about the property and its conservation easement. Reny discussed the importance of the tourism economy, particularly in Pittsburg, but emphasized the need to balance this with the requirements of the conservation easement. He detailed the property's history, including its purchase in 2001, and the roles of various organizations in managing it, including DNCR, the Division of Forests and Lands, Parks and Recreation, the Fish and Game Department, and Aurora as the landowner. He also highlighted the involvement of the Connecticut Lakes Headwater Citizens Committee, which is guided by RSA 12-A:9-b, in providing advice on recreational use. Reny noted that extending the OHV season was not requested during recent public consultations and management planning. He mentioned a specific request to extend the season to Columbus Day weekend, which was denied by Commissioner Sarah Stewart after consultation and a vote by the Citizens Committee. He also clarified the process for future requests to extend the season, which should be submitted by April 1st for proper consideration.
HB127: Abby Evano, Gorham, New Hampshire Oppose01:33:09.360 - 10:02:20 AM; Abby Evano from Gorham, NH, expressed opposition to HB127, supporting the Director of Fish and Game's stance against extending the trails on the Connecticut Lake Headwaters property. She argued that the bill represents an end run around the established public process for managing these lands, which should balance the demand for OHV trails with other state priorities and non-motorized recreation. Evano pointed out that OHV registrations have decreased since the COVID peak, and are lower than hunting and fishing licenses, suggesting that Coos County should diversify its economy beyond OHVs. She questioned the fiscal note attached to the bill, asking about the $10,000 annual cost and its allocation, especially in light of rising property taxes. Additionally, she raised concerns about the environmental impact of extending the OHV season, advocating for reducing fossil fuel consumption in response to climate change. She also mentioned the disturbance caused by ATVs to residents and camp owners in Pittsburg.
HB127: Jefferson County Administrator, Jefferson, New Hampshire Support01:35:59.119 - 10:05:10 AM; The Jefferson County Administrator, who has a long history in the North Country and the tourism industry, supports HB127. They emphasize the importance of OHV use to the North Country's economy, which relies heavily on tourism and timber, generating about $5 billion collectively. They acknowledge the initial resistance to OHV use but highlight its growth and importance to the region. The speaker argues that the North Country has adapted to OHV use and it's crucial for economic development, especially in Coos County, which is the poorest county in the state. They criticize the decision to deny an extension of OHV use last fall, which they claim would have brought in $18 million over two weekends, impacting local businesses and tax revenues. The speaker also touches on the enforcement issues and the broader economic implications, including the effects of climate change on traditional snowmobiling, urging the committee to pass the legislation.
HB127: Ray Gorman, County Commissioner, District number three, Colebrook, New Hampshire Support01:47:04.520 - 10:16:15 AM; Ray Gorman, a County Commissioner from Colebrook, supports HB127 and discusses the economic and recreational benefits of OHV use in the North Country. He highlights his involvement with the headwaters committee and his perspective as an avid bird hunter, arguing that the trails in question do not significantly impact bird hunting activities. Gorman emphasizes the economic boost from OHVs and snowmobiles, citing the recent positive impact on local businesses in Pittsburgh due to increased trail usage. He presents a statement from the Pittsburgh select board supporting the bill and stresses the importance of OHV use to the region's economy, especially given the loss of other industries like paper mills and furniture factories. He argues that the trails should remain open until Columbus Day weekend and refutes any downsides to the legislation, emphasizing the need for objective processes in managing trail access.
HB127: Davis, New Hampshire Information Only01:57:34.199 - 10:26:45 AM; Davis provides information on their property next to the Guile State Forest, which has a conservation easement similar to the Connecticut Lakes. They have developed 10 miles of trails at a significant cost and view the issue partly as a property rights concern. Davis mentions that the OHV 1188 Commission has a mandate to report on legislation, but they did not discuss HB127 specifically, so they have no formal position on the bill.
HB127: Captain Michael Eastman, New Hampshire Fish and Game Oppose02:00:42.800 - 10:29:53 AM; Captain Michael Eastman from New Hampshire Fish and Game speaks in opposition to HB127. He explains that the closure of the headwaters property during the small game season was intended to prioritize hunting activities, as the area was designated for sportsmen. Eastman acknowledges the economic importance of OHVs to Coos County but emphasizes the potential adverse interactions between hunters and OHV users. He also discusses the enforcement challenges, noting that while the Coos County Sheriff's Department receives funding for OHV patrols, Fish and Game remains the primary agency responsible for handling accidents and other enforcement duties. Eastman argues that the specific section of the trail system in question should remain closed to OHVs to support hunters and sportsmen, despite the broader support for OHV use in the community.
HB127: Representative R Information Only02:11:30.679 - 10:40:41 AM; Representative R sought clarification on the jurisdiction of law enforcement agencies in handling OHV-related tasks in the North Country. They asked Captain Eastman if other agencies could perform these tasks and whether there is a mutual aid agreement in place. Captain Eastman confirmed that other agencies can apply for grants from the OHV fund to enforce OHV rules within their jurisdictions and that they cooperate with Fish and Game, especially in accident investigations.
HB127: Representative Ghoul Information Only02:13:09.719 - 10:42:20 AM; Representative Ghoul inquired about the speed limits on roads used by ATVs, noting that the speed limit is generally 25 mph unless otherwise marked. Captain Eastman responded that excessive speed and inexperience are significant factors in OHV and snowmobile accidents, leading to many tickets being issued for speeding.
HB127: Representative Information Only02:13:58.079 - 10:43:09 AM; The representative asked Captain Eastman if certain roads are closed to all motorized vehicles or just OHVs on specific dates, expressing confusion about access for hunters. Captain Eastman could not fully answer, suggesting it might be a question for Chief Renie, but mentioned that some sections are gated off while others are open at different times.
HB127: Representative Davis Information Only02:15:31.400 - 10:44:42 AM; Representative Davis questioned the significance of 10 miles of trails in the context of 228 square miles available for small game hunting, and how it impacts economic development. Captain Eastman explained that most of the land used for OHVs is private property, and the specific trails in question are designated for sportsmen and women, hence the importance of their input on the matter.
HB127: Keith Robach, Coos County High Sheriff Support02:16:18.239 - 10:45:29 AM; Sheriff Keith Robach expressed support for the legislation and outlined plans to train deputies with Fish and Game to handle major OHV accidents. He mentioned that the county receives funding for OHV enforcement and plans to increase patrols with part-time officers if the trail is opened. He highlighted the cooperative efforts between agencies and the economic benefits to Coos County.
HB127: Representative Sergeant Information Only02:19:31.398 - 10:48:42 AM; Representative Sergeant confirmed with Sheriff Robach that he supports the legislation and inquired about the economic cost of additional patrols. Sheriff Robach explained that using part-time full-time officers helps manage costs and emphasized the importance of the patrols for economic benefits to Coos County and Pittsburgh.
HB127: David Kozie, Prospect Hill Strategies on behalf of Aurora Sustainable Lands Information Only02:21:00.560 - 10:50:11 AM; David Kozie corrected the position of Aurora Sustainable Lands, stating that while the company is supportive of trail expansion on their property, they have no position on extending the OHV season.
HB127: Karen Rober, Bay Rock Adventures, Pittsburgh, NH Support02:22:02.080 - 10:51:13 AM; Karen Rober, owner of Bay Rock Adventures in Pittsburgh, New Hampshire, spoke in favor of extending the OHV season. She detailed the impact of seasonal closures on her business, which started in 2013 with 10 ATVs and now operates 50 ATVs and 50 snowmobiles. The business employs 15 full-time staff in a town of 800, highlighting the economic significance of their operation. She discussed the financial losses due to delayed openings and early closures, totaling significant amounts like $175,000 for a delayed winter opening and $75,000 for a closure before Memorial Day. She emphasized the need for an additional 13 days of operation to offset these losses, particularly the importance of holiday weekends. She also mentioned their cooperation with authorities and landowners, and the economic benefits of trail connectivity for local businesses and real estate.
HB127: Darren Jock, Great Northwoods Riders, Pittsburgh, NH Support02:30:33.920 - 10:59:44 AM; Darren Jock, representing the Great Northwoods Riders and a local business owner, supported extending the OHV season. He pointed out that the Perry Stream property, an 8,000-acre area, requested to remain open through Columbus Day. This was agreed upon by the town Selectmen and presented to the Trails Bureau. He argued that extending the season by 13 days would be crucial for the local economy and criticized the need for legislative action, emphasizing that the state owns the roads and should simplify the process.
HB127: Dawn Gorman Support02:32:52.359 - 11:02:03 AM; Dawn Gorman expressed strong support for the bill, viewing it as an opportunity for broader economic development in the North Country. He suggested that instead of killing the bill, it should be studied to include stakeholders like Fish and Game and conservationists in developing the region. Gorman envisioned expanding recreational activities and infrastructure to boost the area's economy, comparing it to successful models like Lake Tahoe. He emphasized the non-partisan nature of the bill, focusing on community development.
HB127: Steven Wilkey, New Hampshire Off Highway Vehicle Association Support02:38:48.960 - 11:07:59 AM; Steven Wilkey, representing the New Hampshire Off Highway Vehicle Association, supported the bill for its potential to standardize OHV closing dates above Route 26. He cautioned against comparing individual hunting and fishing licenses to machine registrations due to the capacity differences. He emphasized the association's support for universalizing the closing dates to Columbus Day above Route 26 and October 31 above the notches.
HB174: Unnamed Speaker, New Hampshire Off Highway Vehicle Association Support02:40:51.040 - 11:10:02 AM; The speaker supports HB174, which proposes to increase the weight limit of ORVs from 2100 lbs to 3500 lbs. The rationale provided is that modern ORVs are becoming more sophisticated with features such as air conditioning, heaters, and electric windows, which increase their weight beyond the current limit. Additionally, the change would accommodate heavier electric ATVs, supporting environmentally conscious users. The speaker notes that the bill was introduced at the request of the New Hampshire Off Highway Vehicle Association (NOVA). The speaker also mentions that the weight increase is not expected to significantly impact trail wear, due to new designs and technologies from manufacturers and tire companies. They emphasize the importance of landowner cooperation for maintaining trails and mention the use of grant aid for trail maintenance in their club in Coos. The speaker also addresses concerns about enforcement of the weight limit, stating that current law enforcement is not equipped to weigh ORVs, and the bill aims to keep everything legal and transparent.
HB174: Representative Bridal Information Only02:45:13.120 - 11:14:24 AM; Representative Bridal inquires about any proposed higher registration fees for heavier ORVs, given that road vehicles often have higher fees based on weight. The speaker responds that currently, all ORVs pay the same registration fee, but the idea of differential fees could be considered by the legislature.
HB174: Unnamed Representative Information Only02:45:59.240 - 11:15:10 AM; The representative asks if the bill's purpose is to accommodate the weight of batteries for electric ORVs or the size of the machines. The speaker clarifies that the bill is specifically to address the weight of batteries, not the size of the machines, as trail gates are designed to limit vehicle width.
HB174: Representative Taylor Information Only02:47:34.439 - 11:16:45 AM; Representative Taylor questions the horsepower and maximum speed of gasoline-powered ATVs at the proposed 3500 lbs weight. The speaker estimates around 100 horsepower with a top speed of about 70 mph, though trail speed limits are set at 25 mph.
HB174: Representative Pette Information Only02:48:19.439 - 11:17:30 AM; Representative Pette asks about landowner opinions on the increased weight and whether it would necessitate renegotiation of trail agreements. The speaker indicates that clubs in the north maintain good relationships with landowners and would notify them of the change if passed, citing studies showing insignificant ground disturbance from the increased weight.
HB174: Unnamed Prime Sponsor Support02:49:37.359 - 11:18:48 AM; The prime sponsor discusses the bill's language, which is not limited to electric ORVs but applies to all ORVs, to accommodate both electric batteries and the added weight from accessories on non-electric models. They use their own experience with a Polaris General, which exceeds the current weight limit due to added equipment, to illustrate the need for the change. They also mention that some law enforcement and first responder vehicles in the North Country are currently overweight.
HB174: Representative Darby Information Only02:52:46.640 - 11:21:57 AM; Representative Darby seeks clarification on which trails would be affected by the proposed weight increase, specifically mentioning Coos County and Jericho Mountain. The speaker explains that the bill would primarily affect trails in Coos County and parts of Northern Grafton County, totaling over 1000 miles, but narrower trails in other counties like Rockingham and around Claremont would not be impacted due to their width restrictions.
HB174: Abby Veno, Gorham, New Hampshire Oppose02:54:31.000 - 11:23:42 AM; Abby Veno opposes HB174, stating that it increases the allowed weight of UTVs on state lands by 75%, which could negatively impact trails and the landowners who connect to them. She expresses concerns about the lack of notification or input from landowners and towns, and the potential for increased trail erosion without sufficient funding for repairs. Veno suggests that the bill should be sent to the OHV Study Commission for further evaluation rather than passed as is, due to the commission's ongoing work and upcoming report.
HB174: Stephen Wilkins, New Hampshire Off Highway Vehicle Association Support02:56:54.279 - 11:26:05 AM; Stephen Wilkins supports the bill but the transcript cuts off before he provides his testimony.
HB174: Steven Wilkey, New Hampshire Off Highway Vehicle Association Support02:57:10.080 - 11:26:21 AM; Steven Wilkey, representing the New Hampshire Off Highway Vehicle Association, supports the bill to adjust the UTV definition. He highlighted that the current definition, over 15 years old, does not account for the evolution of these vehicles into more recreational models with features like four seats, enclosed cabins, heat, and AC, which often exceed the 2,000-pound dry weight limit. He mentioned his roles on the 1188 study commission and as president of the Sullivan County ATV Club in Claremont, noting that enforcement of the weight limit is lacking. He explained that New Hampshire has specific definitions for various types of off-highway vehicles and that adjustments have been made before, such as increasing the width from 62 inches to 65 inches in 2014. He also discussed how jeeps and trucks are considered OHVs on private land and municipal roads, and shared examples of heavy equipment usage on Class 6 roads, including a 60,000-pound bridge installation by his club. He mentioned the future of electric UTVs and the need for infrastructure, referencing the 1188 study commission's work on electric charging stations at trailheads. He concluded by noting support from other states and manufacturers like Polaris, who are developing technology to minimize the environmental impact of these vehicles.
HB174: Representative Vale Information Only03:03:26.359 - 11:32:37 AM; Representative Vale asked Steven Wilkey for pictures to help understand the size differences between vehicles at the current 2,000-pound limit and the proposed 3,500-pound limit. Wilkey clarified that the size of the vehicle would not change with the weight increase, and he offered to provide pictures to the committee.
HB174: Representative NAB Information Only03:04:12.399 - 11:33:23 AM; Representative NAB thanked Steven Wilkey for his response to Representative Vale's question.
HB174: Representative NAB Information Only03:04:29.040 - 11:33:40 AM; Representative NAB inquired about a mention of 80 inches in a letter from Roba, asking if it was a future goal. Steven Wilkey clarified that the width would not exceed 65 inches to avoid allowing jeeps and trucks on designated trails. He explained that manufacturers produce vehicles with different widths, and that private landowners and municipalities have the choice to allow larger machines.
HB174: Representative Baldwin Information Only03:05:58.520 - 11:35:09 AM; Representative Baldwin asked about the benefits of increasing the weight limit to accommodate electric batteries and the infrastructure for charging in the North Country. Steven Wilkey responded that the 1188 study commission is looking into charging stations at trailheads and mentioned alternative power sources like wind turbines and solar battery packs. He noted that surrounding states have increased their electric capabilities and that New Hampshire is starting to develop its infrastructure.
HB174: Representative Veale Information Only03:09:36.160 - 11:38:47 AM; Representative Veale asked if UTVs could have a tag indicating their dry weight, similar to automobiles. Steven Wilkey explained that while the vehicles do not have such tags, the dry weight is available on manufacturer spec sheets online. He added that their community has been trying to self-police the weight limits for the past seven years.
HB174: Unknown Speaker Information Only03:10:15.800 - 11:39:26 AM; The speaker discussed the engine sizes of OHVs, stating that most side by sides have engines between 700 CC's and 1,000 CC's. They mentioned that a 1,000 CC engine can reach speeds of 70 mph on a long straightaway, but the speed limit on state-owned trails is 25 mph, with private trails allowing up to 35 mph. The speaker also noted that on many private land trails, speeds are limited to 15-20 mph. They highlighted that Polaris has been working on retuning engines to reduce noise, using an example from Sedona, Arizona, where rentals were modified to be quieter. The speaker emphasized that most noise complaints stem from two-stroke machines, and newer four-stroke machines are much quieter due to manufacturer efforts to address noise issues.
HB174: An Davis Oppose03:13:22.359 - 11:42:33 AM; An Davis spoke in opposition to HB174, expressing concerns about allowing heavier vehicles on state-owned trails in Coos County, specifically mentioning the Ammonoosuc Recreational Trail from Hazen to Bethlehem, the Warren Recreational Trail in Warren, and Jericho Mountain State Park. Davis questioned whether private landowners, who own most of the trail system, are being informed about the potential changes and the impact of heavier vehicles on their property. They noted the significant weight increase from 2,100 lbs to 3,500 lbs, which is close to the curb weight of a 2023 Toyota Tacoma, and raised concerns about the impact on both state and private trails. Davis also mentioned the role of the commission in vetting legislation and their diverse perspectives, emphasizing the need for more thorough review of ATV legislation.
HB174: Captain Eastman Support03:17:22.279 - 11:46:33 AM; Captain Eastman clarified that the Fishing Game Commission supports HB174. They discussed the weight of a Jeep Wrangler off the lot, noting it is about 5,300 lbs, and argued that the proposed 3,500 lbs limit for OHVs would not allow for vehicles like Jeeps on trails. Eastman also pointed out that the width restriction of 65 inches for OHVs protects against excessively heavy machines, as manufacturers cannot make heavier machines without increasing width. They expressed confidence in the current restrictions and supported the bill based on these considerations.
HB174: Jason Stock, New Hampshire Timberland Owners Association Oppose03:19:07.680 - 11:48:18 AM; Jason Stock, representing the New Hampshire Timberland Owners Association, testified in opposition to HB174. He highlighted that their members own over a million acres of land, much of which is open for recreation, and stressed the importance of maintaining access to these lands for timber management. Stock expressed concerns about the impact of heavier OHVs on roads and trails, particularly on private land, which could affect their ability to access timber and thus impact their bottom line. He also raised issues about enforcement, noting the difficulty in ensuring compliance with weight limits and the potential confusion over weight limits on connected trails. Stock suggested that the bill should have been more thoroughly vetted by the House Bill 1188 subcommittee before being introduced.
HB174: Mr. Pigeon Oppose03:39:50.720 - 12:09:01 PM; Mr. Pigeon, with a background in road and bridge design, expressed serious concerns about the impact of heavier OHVs on bridges. He discussed the dynamics of weight distribution on bridges, noting that a shorter wheelbase vehicle with increased weight could pose significant risks. Pigeon highlighted the potential for increased ground pressure and the need for more thought on the inertia and stopping power of heavier machines. He suggested that while he supports technological advancements like battery-powered and quieter four-stroke engines, the immediate impact on infrastructure needs careful consideration. He also mentioned the importance of considering the rotational physics and the potential for damage to trails and bridges.
HB203: Representative John T. McDonald, Cal District 6, representing Wolfeboro and Tuftonboro Support03:48:30.439 - 12:17:41 PM; Representative McDonald introduced House Bill 203, which mandates that operators of kayaks, canoes, and rowing skulls wear a Coast Guard-approved personal flotation device from November 15th to May 15th. He highlighted New Hampshire's extensive water resources and the extended boating season, which now spans from ice-out to well into December. He discussed the dangers of cold water immersion and hypothermia during late fall and early spring, which can lead to drowning due to involuntary gasping and loss of motor function. He mentioned that similar laws exist in other states like Massachusetts, Maine, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Utah, and provided examples of these regulations.
HB203: Aubrey Friedman, Bridgewater Oppose03:53:48.960 - 12:22:59 PM; Aubrey Friedman, a private citizen from Bridgewater, spoke in opposition to the bill, emphasizing personal responsibility and questioning the necessity of the bill after 237 years without such a mandate. He argued that individuals should be responsible for their own safety based on their skill level, water temperature, weather conditions, and body of water size. He viewed the bill as an infringement on the 'Live Free or Die' spirit and a move towards a nanny state, suggesting it could take the fun out of boating and lead to enforcement issues and fines.
HB203: Captain Tim Dunlevy, Retired Captain and Program Specialist, Legislative Liaison for Marine Patrol Support03:56:36.680 - 12:25:47 PM; Captain Dunlevy supported the bill, citing statistics that over 83% of freshwater drowning victims in paddlecraft accidents were not wearing life jackets. He discussed the dangers of cold water immersion and hypothermia, especially during seasons when water temperatures drop below 50 degrees. He highlighted the lack of required boating education for paddlecraft users and emphasized the importance of wearing modern, non-intrusive life jackets to increase survival rates during emergencies. He confirmed Marine Patrol's involvement in the bill's inception and expressed openness to future amendments to include other paddle sports.
HB203: Representative Bridal, Hampton Information Only03:59:50.120 - 12:29:01 PM; Representative Bridal inquired if Marine Patrol was consulted during the bill's inception, to which Captain Dunlevy confirmed their involvement. He also asked about the exclusion of stand-up paddleboarding from the bill and whether future amendments might include other paddle sports. Captain Dunlevy responded that Marine Patrol would support safety measures to ensure people's safety on the water, viewing the current bill as a first step towards raising awareness about seasonal life jacket wear.
HB203: Representative Vale Information Only04:01:32.560 - 12:30:43 PM; Representative Vale asked Captain Dunlevy about the functionality of the flotation devices demonstrated. Captain Dunlevy explained the operation of two types of devices: a fanny pack style that inflates into a horseshoe design and a suspender style that inflates around the neck. Both are designed for comfort and effectiveness in emergencies, with features like CO2 cartridges, adjustable air valves, and reflective material.
HB203: Representative Sergeant Information Only04:03:53.399 - 12:33:04 PM; Representative Sergeant requested statistics on drowning deaths related to the specific boats mentioned in the bill. Captain Dunlevy offered to provide both national and state-specific statistics for a requested time range, acknowledging he did not have immediate figures available.
HB203: Unnamed Resident from Cedar Pond Information Only04:04:30.479 - 12:33:41 PM; The resident from Cedar Pond asked for clarification on the current laws regarding the necessity of wearing life jackets on a pontoon boat. They mentioned that they were under the impression that having a flotation device nearby was sufficient, and sought confirmation on this understanding. They also inquired about the rules for canoes and kayaks, specifically whether one needs to have a life jacket with them, even if not required to wear it.
HB203: Captain Information Only04:05:17.600 - 12:34:28 PM; The Captain responded to the resident's query, confirming that for individuals over the age of 12, having a Coast Guard-approved life jacket within reach is sufficient and it is not mandatory to wear it. However, for those 12 years and under, wearing a life jacket is required. The Captain also clarified that for canoes and kayaks, having a life jacket with you is necessary, though wearing it is not currently required. The Captain explained that the proposed bill, HB203, would mandate wearing life jackets on such devices during the cold water season from November 15th to May 15th.

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