Committee Summary for House Resources, Recreation and Development (02/05/2025)

Bill/Time	Type	Title	Sponsor
HB568 00:09:53.000 - 9:06:44 AM	Public Hearing	allowing subdivision regulations concerning water supply.	McGhee, Kat(D)[CT]2024
HB582 00:36:50.720 - 9:33:41 AM	Public Hearing	relative to safety requirements for operation of personal water crafts.	Darby, Will(D)[CT]2024
HB595 01:15:43.480 - 10:12:34 AM	Public Hearing	relative to coastal resilience zones.	Muns, Chris(D)[CT]2024
HB607 01:59:19.679 - 10:56:10 AM	Public Hearing	relative to funding the Hampton Beach area commission and making appropriations therefor.	Muns, Chris(D)[CT]2024
HB624 03:08:10.680 - 12:05:01 PM	Public Hearing	establishing a local river management advisory committee grant program and making an appropriation therefor.	Turer, Eric(D)[CT]2024
HB624 03:15:15.760 - 12:12:06 PM	Public Hearing	establishing a local river management advisory committee grant program and making an appropriation therefor.	Turer, Eric(D)[CT]2024
HB644 04:34:25.958 - 1:31:16 PM	Public Hearing	relative to flying drones in state parks.	Post, Lisa(R)[A]2024
HB657 04:56:28.520 - 1:53:19 PM	Public Hearing	relative to short-notice booking access for New Hampshire residents to state parks.	Sellers, John(R)[A-]2024

HB568: Representative Cat McGee, Hillsborough 35 (Hollis) Support00:09:53.000 - 9:06:44 AM; Representative Cat McGee, the prime sponsor of HB 568, presented the bill which aims to allow local planning boards to request water studies for subdivisions to ensure water adequacy as housing density increases. The bill was inspired by a constituent's experience with diminished well productivity due to a nearby housing development. McGee highlighted that the bill has been refined over two years and has bipartisan support. It does not mandate costs or activities but gives planning boards the authority to request water supply studies based on local regulations. The bill also excludes community water systems and large groundwater withdrawals. McGee emphasized the importance of foresight in planning to prevent issues like water curfews and to protect existing and future homeowners, urging the committee to find the bill ought to pass.
HB568: Representative McNab Information Only00:16:47.480 - 9:13:38 AM; Representative McNab asked questions about the specifics of the bill, particularly regarding the size of the development it would apply to. He noted that the original bill specified subdivisions of four lots or more, and he suggested that this language should be reinstated to clarify the bill's application. He also inquired about the previous year's bill number and its outcome, but the information was not immediately available.
HB568: Cheryl Howard, Town Planning Board Information Only00:18:38.880 - 9:15:29 AM; Cheryl Howard expressed concerns about the impact of development on their town. She suggested that it would be helpful to include basic parameters for local boards in the bill, specifically a provision indicating a requirement for subdivisions or developments of four or more lots.
HB568: Bob Quinn, CEO of New Hampshire Association of Realtors Oppose00:19:52.240 - 9:16:43 AM; Bob Quinn opposed the bill due to the lack of a clear definition of what constitutes a 'water supply study.' He referenced a 2010 legislative report on groundwater withdrawals and suggested that the bill's current lack of parameters could lead to expensive and possibly unnecessary studies like hydrology studies or pump tests. He proposed that a committee could be formed to study the frequency of such incidents and determine the best approach, involving both municipalities and the New Hampshire Department of Environmental Services.
HB568: Brandon Kernin, Administrator of the Drinking Water and Groundwater Bureau at New Hampshire Department of Environmental Services (DES) Information Only00:25:02.240 - 9:21:53 AM; Brandon Kernin provided information on the state's experience with groundwater issues, referencing a 2010 groundwater commission report. He mentioned that while incidents of clusters of private wells struggling are not frequent, they do occur periodically, particularly in areas with ledge and hilltop developments. The commission's report included model ordinances for municipalities to address these issues proactively, though there was no consensus on implementing these into law. He suggested that if HB 568 were to pass, it would enable towns to address water quantity issues using tools from the old report.
HB568: Brandon Kernin, Administrator of the Drinking Water and Groundwater Bureau at New Hampshire Department of Environmental Services (DES) Information Only00:25:02.240 - 9:21:53 AM; Brandon Kernin discussed the process of assessing water supply adequacy for municipalities. He highlighted the importance of collecting data before conducting expensive hydrology studies. DES first collects information through surveys of existing homeowners to understand the extent of well failures. They also use well completion reports submitted by drillers to track new and replacement wells, which helps in mapping out areas with potential water supply issues. Kernin mentioned that while DES has developed proposed ordinances at the request of the Groundwater Commission, these have not been adopted by any town. He noted that some towns interpret current statutes as allowing planning boards to require studies during site plan reviews or subdivisions, but the practice is not widespread. He confirmed that the proposed legislation would clarify the authority for towns to adopt such ordinances.
HB582: Representative Will Derby from Hillsboro District 11 Support00:36:50.720 - 9:33:41 AM; Representative Will Derby presented HB 582 FN, aimed at enhancing safety for personal watercraft users on New Hampshire's lakes. He noted the affordability and popularity of jet skis but emphasized their differences from boats, such as lack of gunnels and high speeds. Derby shared a tragic incident from 2017 on Lake Monomonac in Rindge, New Hampshire, to illustrate the dangers of personal watercraft. He highlighted the need for specific safety measures, including age restrictions for operators, mandatory wearing of personal flotation devices, and restrictions on operating after dark. Derby mentioned consultations with the Department of Safety and Marine Patrol, adjusting the bill based on their recommendations to focus solely on safety without restricting behaviors. He stressed the importance of education and enforcement by Marine Patrol to promote safer use of personal watercraft. Derby expressed willingness to amend the bill if the committee felt strongly about removing the PFD requirement but emphasized the importance of the other safety measures.
HB582: Sergeant Information Only00:48:02.960 - 9:44:53 AM; Sergeant asked Representative Derby if the proposed legislation expands RSA 270:74, which governs ski craft, to larger devices not existing in the 80s. Derby clarified that the bill focuses on safety requirements only and does not intend to ban personal watercraft, unlike a previous bill. He confirmed that the safety measures, including those on personal flotation devices, mirror existing laws for smaller vessels, aiming to apply similar common sense safety rules to the larger, modern personal watercraft.
HB582: Representative NAB Information Only00:49:13.480 - 9:46:04 AM; Representative NAB inquired about current statutes regarding minors wearing PFDs on personal watercraft and whether a 16-year-old must wear one. Derby was unsure but suggested that Captain Dunley, present at the hearing, might provide the information, noting there are some restrictions for minors in kayaks.
HB582: John Wally, New Hampshire Marine Trades Association Oppose00:51:27.040 - 9:48:18 AM; John Wally, President of the New Hampshire Marine Trades Association, spoke in opposition to House Bill 582. He highlighted that the association supports public safety and has backed previous bills on personal flotation devices. However, he finds HB 582 unnecessary, citing a lack of data supporting the need for changes to personal watercraft regulations. Wally mentioned that personal watercraft operators typically wear life vests and adhere to safety protocols, as evidenced by his daily observations and supported by statistics. He also expressed concern about the potential for new definitions leading to further restrictions and bans on personal watercraft, which have been classified as boats for over 30 years. The association is willing to assist in educational campaigns if safety issues arise but believes the current laws are sufficient.
HB582: Jody Grimas, New Hampshire Marine Trades Association Oppose00:52:16.480 - 9:49:07 AM; Jody Grimas, representing the New Hampshire Marine Trades Association, opposed HB 582 by detailing why the bill is unnecessary. She explained that personal watercraft have been defined as boats since 1988 and that attempts to change this definition have been rejected by the legislature for over 30 years. Grimas highlighted that current boating safety laws apply to personal watercraft and that New Hampshire has one of the best safety records in the nation. She criticized specific provisions of the bill, such as age restrictions, night operation bans, mandatory life vests, and definitions of careless operation, arguing that existing laws already cover these issues. She emphasized the importance of enforcement and adequate Marine Patrol staffing over new legislation.
HB582: Jake D Silva, Meredith, New Hampshire Oppose01:04:20.160 - 10:01:11 AM; Jake D Silva from Meredith, New Hampshire, opposed HB 582, stating that his family's businesses, including D Silva Motorsports, could be adversely affected. He emphasized the importance of personal watercraft for outdoor recreation, especially during the pandemic, and argued that they are currently regulated as boats, which is appropriate given their safety features and usage. D Silva criticized the potential reclassification of personal watercraft to ski craft, which could lead to access restrictions, and noted the lack of evidence supporting the need for this bill. He mentioned the safety features of personal watercraft, such as learning modes and lanyards, and observed that operators generally wear life vests.
HB582: Lisa Miles, HK Powersports, Meredith Oppose01:08:04.720 - 10:04:55 AM; Lisa Miles, an owner of HK Powersports in Hooksett and Laconia and a resident of Meredith, opposed HB 582. She argued that three-passenger personal watercraft, which make up the majority of sales, are currently regulated as boats and should remain so. Miles pointed out that personal watercraft are popular due to their affordability and safety, and that they contribute significantly to new boat sales in New Hampshire. She expressed concern that reclassifying personal watercraft could lead to debates over access restrictions and noted that safety concerns mentioned by the bill's sponsors were not observed in practice. She emphasized the safety features of personal watercraft, such as life jackets and speed-restricting keys.
HB595: Chris Muns, Representative from Hampton Support01:15:43.480 - 10:12:34 AM; Chris Muns, a state representative from Hampton, introduced HB 595, which aims to create tools for cities and towns to help homeowners and businesses invest in flood resiliency improvements. He noted that the bill's relevance extends beyond coastal areas to inland regions affected by increased flooding due to climate change. Muns cited studies predicting increased heavy rainfall and sea level rise, which could cause significant damage and financial loss. He outlined the bill's components, including adding flood resiliency to existing financing programs, providing tax incentives for flood resilience improvements, establishing a municipal flood resilience fee, and funding a Statewide analysis of flood risk. Muns also mentioned proposed amendments to refine the bill's scope and address consumer protection concerns related to the residential PACE program.
HB595: Representative Darby Information Only01:27:59.639 - 10:24:50 AM; Representative Darby engaged in a dialogue about the comprehensive nature of HB 595 FN, expressing concerns about the pace of the legislation and its potential impacts. He mentioned Florida's additional consumer protections regarding R-PACE and suggested possibly separating the R-PACE component from the rest of the bill to allow for a subsequent bill focused on comprehensive protections for residents engaging in R-PACE. He expressed a willingness to move forward with the rest of the bill if R-PACE were to be carved out for a separate legislative session.
HB595: Representative David Muse, Portsmouth, Newington, Newcastle Support01:30:19.239 - 10:27:10 AM; Representative Muse spoke in support of HB 595 FN, emphasizing its importance for his constituents along the New Hampshire Sea Coast, including the cities and towns of Portsmouth, Newington, and Newcastle. He highlighted the vulnerability of coastal properties to flooding and the potential for uninsurable homes due to increasing storm severity. Muse praised the bill for enabling communities to protect themselves and noted the unpredictability of federal disaster aid and insurance coverage. He urged the committee to consider the legislation and work with Representative Muns on potential improvements.
HB595: Representative John Cloutier, Sullivan County District 6, Claremont, Cornish Support01:33:52.560 - 10:30:43 AM; Representative Cloutier expressed strong support for HB 595 FN, emphasizing that the bill's relevance extends beyond the Sea Coast to inland communities like those in Sullivan County, which have suffered from flooding due to heavy rains. He cited specific instances of flooding in Cornish, Newport, and Plainfield and highlighted the challenges faced by these smaller communities in recovering from such events. Cloutier commended the bill as enabling legislation that could help prevent future tragedies and underscored the government's duty to enhance public safety and limit property damage.
HB595: Kate Cook, City Councilor, Portsmouth Support01:35:58.199 - 10:32:49 AM; Kate Cook, a City Councilor from Portsmouth, voiced her support for HB 595 FN, emphasizing the city's endorsement of the bill. She highlighted the impact of flooding on approximately 500 properties in Portsmouth's historic district, which affects not only property owners but also the city's tourism draw. Cook discussed the financial strain on residents and businesses due to regular flooding and the need for improvements to mitigate such events. She specifically mentioned the challenges faced by her neighbors and local businesses on Mechanic Street and the cultural impact on landmarks like the Wentworth-Gardener home and Prescott Park.
HB595: Representative Nab, Select Board, Stratham Information Only01:38:55.440 - 10:35:46 AM; Representative Nab, from the Select Board in Stratham, raised a question about the application of flood resilience investment funds, expressing concern about the funds potentially benefiting individuals rather than the community at large. He inquired how Portsmouth would consider applying these funds to avoid such scenarios. Kate Cook responded, indicating that such discussions have not yet occurred at the municipal level in Portsmouth due to the lack of existing mechanisms, but she welcomed the opportunity for future discussions on how to support both businesses and homeowners.
HB595: DJ Beton-Court, Commissioner, New Hampshire Insurance Department Support01:40:52.040 - 10:37:43 AM; Commissioner DJ Beton-Court from the New Hampshire Insurance Department provided background on the insurance perspective related to HB 595 FN. He emphasized the importance of flood insurance, noting that standard homeowners' insurance does not cover flood damage. Beton-Court discussed the challenges of accessibility and affordability of insurance in areas prone to flooding, particularly along the Sea Coast. He explained the concept of a 'hard market' in the insurance industry, where companies manage risk more tightly, leading to higher premiums and stricter underwriting criteria. Beton-Court supported the spirit of the bill, suggesting it could help consumers by improving their properties' resilience to flood damage, potentially lowering insurance costs and improving coverage renewals.
HB595: Representative Darby Information Only01:48:27.560 - 10:45:18 AM; Representative Darby asked about the existence of a high-risk market pool in New Hampshire similar to California's FAIR Plan. The response was that New Hampshire does not have such a plan, and the speaker expressed a disinterest in implementing one, citing issues with administration and market disruption in other states. The speaker argued that New Hampshire's insurance market is currently competitive and does not require dramatic intervention.
HB595: Representative NAB Information Only01:51:41.480 - 10:48:32 AM; Representative NAB inquired about coverage for wind and fire damage under homeowners' policies. The response confirmed that such damages are typically covered under standard policies, provided the incident is sudden and accidental. The speaker emphasized the importance of reading policy details to ensure coverage.
HB595: Marcus Landers, Marine Corps veteran, Harvard Business School graduate, general contractor, and veteran fellow at the Hoover Institution Support01:52:55.800 - 10:49:46 AM; Marcus Landers spoke in support of HB 595, emphasizing the need for flood resilience in New Hampshire. He highlighted the state's vulnerability to flooding and the potential economic impacts of inaction. Landers criticized the current insurance and federal relief systems for creating false security and perverse incentives. He advocated for HB 595 as a means to correct market incentives, promote private investment in resilience, and prevent economic collapse due to flooding. He suggested that the bill could pioneer methods to increase homeowner investment in resilience, potentially saving on future disaster recovery costs.
HB607: Representative Chris Muns, Rockingham District 29, Hampton Support01:59:19.679 - 10:56:10 AM; Representative Chris Muns introduced HB 607, which aims to fund the Hampton Beach Area Commission with $5,000 annually for the next two years. He explained the commission's role in long-term planning for Hampton Beach, its composition, and the duties it is supposed to carry out as per RSA 216 j3. Muns noted that the commission has not received funding since its establishment in 2003 and urged the committee to pass the bill to enable the commission to fulfill its responsibilities.
HB607: Representative NAB Information Only02:02:00.599 - 10:58:51 AM; Representative NAB asked if there had been previous efforts to secure funding for the commission. The response indicated that there had never been any funding provided for the commission.
HB607: Representative Derby Information Only02:02:00.599 - 10:58:51 AM; Representative Derby inquired if the town of Hampton provided any funding for the commission. It was clarified that the commission is a state agency and does not receive funding from the town of Hampton.
HB607: Nancy Styles, formerly Chair of the Hampton Beach Area Commission Support02:03:07.079 - 10:59:58 AM; Nancy Styles, who recently stepped down as chair of the Hampton Beach Area Commission, provided an overview of the commission's activities. She highlighted the requirement to update the master plan every 10 years, mentioning the completion of the transportation component in 2016 and the environmental and Coastal resilience sections more recently. She explained that the commission holds regular meetings and has engaged in fundraising to support minute-taking due to changing lifestyles of volunteers. Styles also mentioned the commission's involvement in the Hampton River bridge replacement and Route 1A reconstruction for flooding issues. She emphasized the need for $5,000 annual funding to support the commission's operations, as they cannot find grants for such costs.
HB607: Pat Bushway, Hampton Beach Area Commission Support02:08:18.440 - 11:05:09 AM; Pat Bushway from the Hampton Beach Area Commission added to the testimony by emphasizing the commission's respected status and its role in enhancing the vitality, vibrancy, and resiliency of Hampton Beach and adjacent coastal communities. He stressed the importance of continued resources to maintain their ongoing work with the town of Hampton and other coastal areas.
HB607: Tracy Emerick, Chair of the Hampton Beach Area Commission Support02:09:41.800 - 11:06:32 AM; Tracy Emerick, the newly appointed chair of the Hampton Beach Area Commission, discussed the commission's role in facilitating communication and cooperation among various state and local jurisdictions in Hampton. He pointed out the commission's lack of funds to update their website, which has not been updated since 2006 except for participant changes. Emerick highlighted the ongoing issue with the Department of Transportation's project on Ocean Boulevard (Route 1A) and the need for funding to communicate effectively with the community. He requested support for HB 607 to secure funding for these purposes.
HB607: Representative Donelly Information Only02:11:52.639 - 11:08:43 AM; Representative Donelly inquired about the possibility of using free website applications like Google Sites to reduce costs for updating the commission's website. Tracy Emerick responded that he was not aware of such options and mentioned that their current subcontractor, who developed the site in 2006, is willing to continue but not for free.
HB624: Representative Eric Turley Support03:08:10.680 - 12:05:01 PM; Representative Eric Turley, the prime sponsor of HB 624 FNA, presented the bill which aims to establish a grant program under the Department of Environmental Services to support local River Management Advisory Committees (LACs). These committees, established since 1989 under RSA 483, consist of volunteers who oversee the protection and management of 19 designated rivers in New Hampshire. Turley, who has been a volunteer on the Exeter-Squamscott River LAC for over a decade, emphasized the need for funding due to the reduction in accessible funds from the EPA's 604b grant program, which has been redirected to other purposes. The proposed $40,000 annual fund with a cap of $10,000 per award would support various activities of the LACs, including administrative support, technical consultations, public meetings, river monitoring, educational material development, community engagement, and signage. The bill is set for a two-year trial, with potential for continuation based on its effectiveness. Turley expressed openness to adjustments in the bill's language to streamline the process and avoid unnecessary rule-making.
HB624: Representative NAB Information Only03:13:47.479 - 12:10:38 PM; Representative NAB asked Representative Turley about concerns raised by the Department of Environmental Services (DES) regarding the rule-making aspect of the bill for the proposed funding amount. Turley indicated his openness to modifying the language to avoid rule-making if it would make the process more effective, showing his flexibility and willingness to adapt the bill to ensure its smooth implementation.
HB624: Chair Information Only03:14:46.640 - 12:11:37 PM; The Chair called for Tracy Sales from the DES to testify, noting that written testimony from Commissioner Scott had been distributed to the committee members.
HB624: Tracy Sales, New Hampshire Department of Environmental Services Information Only03:15:15.760 - 12:12:06 PM; Tracy Sales, the Rivers and Lakes Programs Administrator at the New Hampshire Department of Environmental Services, provided information about the Rivers Management and Protection Program. She stated that the department takes no position on House Bill 624 but noted a proposed administrative amendment. She described the program's background, highlighting its grassroots nature and the role of local River Management Advisory Committees (LACs). These committees, made up of volunteers, are crucial in coordinating river use, promoting communication, and fulfilling statutory duties such as advising on river management, commenting on permits, developing corridor management plans, and reporting on compliance. Sales mentioned that the funds from the bill would help LACs meet their duties, including holding meetings, outreach, and water quality monitoring. She welcomed suggestions on fund distribution and was open to questions.
HB624: Michelle Trembley, New Hampshire Rivers Council and Rivers Management Advisory Committee Support03:20:48.800 - 12:17:39 PM; Michelle Trembley, representing the New Hampshire Rivers Council and the Rivers Management Advisory Committee, expressed strong support for House Bill 624. She highlighted the council's long history and involvement with the Rivers Management and Protection Program, noting the significant volunteer contributions and the program's impact on over 1,000 river miles and 50% of the state's municipalities. Trembley emphasized the need for funding to support the LACs in fulfilling their statutory duties, particularly in developing and implementing river corridor management plans. She stressed that the proposed funding would be a modest addition to the state budget but would yield substantial returns by aiding volunteer efforts and benefiting municipalities.
HB624: Peter Lehman, representing Peterborough and Sharon Information Only03:34:08.800 - 12:30:59 PM; Peter Lehman began by acknowledging the efforts of the committee that studied alternatives to funding, operation, maintenance, and repair of state-owned dams. He highlighted New Hampshire's unique position in the nation, owning 276 dams, with 208 operated by the Department of Environmental Services (DES). He detailed the classification of these dams by hazard level and mentioned the significant cost of over $400 million to rehabilitate them. Lehman discussed the annual funding shortfall faced by the Dam Bureau, which currently receives about $7 million but requires $16 million annually to meet a 50-year rehabilitation schedule. He emphasized the aging infrastructure of many state-owned dams, acquired in the mid-20th century, and their increasing risk due to downstream development. Lehman also referenced recent dam failures in New Hampshire and nationwide, suggesting that weather and climate are not the sole factors. The committee considered both rehabilitation and removal of dams, noting potential impacts on water levels. He concluded by stressing the need for a stable funding mechanism for DES to manage state-owned dams effectively, indicating that the current funding model is unsustainable and not in the best interest of various stakeholders.
HB624: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:41:15.479 - 12:38:06 PM; The speaker inquired about the consideration of exempting shoreland that is not in current use or is in conservation from the proposed fee. They questioned if undeveloped land would be treated differently, to which it was clarified that it would still be subject to the fee, not a tax.
HB624: Representative Derby Information Only03:42:23.359 - 12:39:14 PM; Representative Derby raised a concern about dams impounding water bodies without public access. They questioned whether the financial burden should be spread among all waterfront property owners, especially in cases where access is limited.
HB624: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:43:28.319 - 12:40:19 PM; The speaker provided examples of dams in New Hampshire, such as those at Newfound Lake in Bristol, Lake Winnipesaukee, and Lake Sunapee, highlighting their conditions and the potential consequences of dam breaches. They emphasized the state's hundreds of dams and the risk of major breaches without adequate funding for maintenance.
HB624: Representative Taylor Information Only03:44:47.920 - 12:41:38 PM; Representative Taylor asked about the fee structure for commercial use of dams, specifically by power companies. It was clarified that state-owned dams used for power production are assessed a fee, though the specifics were not known by the speaker.
HB624: Bob Scott, Commissioner, Department of Environmental Services Support03:45:50.600 - 12:42:41 PM; Commissioner Bob Scott from the Department of Environmental Services supported the bill, emphasizing the need for sustainable funding for the state's 276 dams, 64 of which are high hazard. He discussed the historical funding through the capital budget, which results in a 100-year cycle for rehabilitation, and stressed the potential loss of life and property if dams fail. He mentioned the necessity to lower water levels in unsafe dams and the importance of educating the public on the significance of dams to New Hampshire's economy and safety.
HB624: Corey Clark, Chief Engineer, Dam Bureau, New Hampshire Department of Environmental Services Support03:49:11.600 - 12:46:02 PM; Corey Clark provided historical context on the state's dam ownership and the creation of the Dam Maintenance Fund in the 1980s to support repairs and operations. He explained the impact of restructuring power purchase agreements in the early 2000s, which led to a significant drop in revenue for the fund. Clark also mentioned the reduction in hydro sites from 12 to 8 and the economic challenges, such as the case at Kelly's Falls Dam in Manchester, where fish passage requirements made hydropower production unfeasible. He highlighted the ongoing need for funding, with examples like the Lakeport Dam on Lake Winnipesaukee, and the advanced age of many state-owned dams, some over 100 years old.
HB624: Representative Dunn Support03:52:09.840 - 12:49:00 PM; Representative Dunn emphasized the need for education about the importance of dams and their impact on the local economy. He suggested that the Department of Environmental Services should educate the legislative body and the finance committee about this issue, especially given the upcoming vote on the bill. He proposed that presentations and possibly editorials in newspapers could help raise awareness.
HB624: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:55:10.920 - 12:52:01 PM; The speaker suggested using editorials in newspapers to increase public awareness about the importance of dams and their funding needs.
HB624: Representative Taylor Information Only03:56:18.560 - 12:53:09 PM; Representative Taylor discussed the situation at Lake Winnipesaukee, where a dam authority contributes to state funds. He questioned whether the proposed fees would replace these contributions and was informed that the authority's funds help with on-site operations but significant rehabilitation work is still needed, funded by capital budgets.
HB624: Derby Information Only03:56:52.359 - 12:53:43 PM; Derby, a speaker at the public hearing, raised a question regarding the taxability of land under the proposed bill HB624. They noted that the bill mentions all taxable waterfronts, but there was confusion about whether land under current use, which is taxed, would be included. Derby sought clarification on how the Department of Environmental Services would assess this. They also mentioned that rulemaking authority under 42 COL 87 could be beneficial for determining what land is taxable and how to measure linear footage for assessment purposes.
HB624: Unnamed Speaker Information Only03:57:51.720 - 12:54:42 PM; An unnamed speaker discussed the computation of the $158 per linear foot fee mentioned in the bill. They referenced similar legislation from 2009 under HB 490, which estimated over 6 million linear feet of shorefront on bodies of water created by state-owned dams. They clarified that about 1.4 million feet were considered tax-exempt due to nonprofit ownership, such as the shorefront around Grafton Pond in Grafton, New Hampshire. The speaker estimated that the taxable shorefront would generate approximately $7.5 million in revenue, subject to fluctuation upon program implementation.
HB624: Representative Donnelly Information Only03:59:41.960 - 12:56:32 PM; Representative Donnelly inquired about the financial implications of dam maintenance and the potential use of bonds for funding. They mentioned the Milville Dam in Salem, New Hampshire, which is being rebuilt with a combination of a grant from the Department of Environmental Services (DES) and taxpayer-funded bonds. The speaker asked about the historical use of bonds for dam maintenance and whether such a financing method could be used again. The response indicated that while bonds were used in the past, currently, the DES relies solely on capital funds for major repairs, though bonding might be possible.
HB624: Representative Sergeant Information Only04:01:23.640 - 12:58:14 PM; Representative Sergeant asked about the number of properties downstream of state-owned dams that benefit from their upkeep. The response highlighted that thousands of properties and road crossings could be affected by dam failures. However, only 27 out of 276 state-owned dams are designated for flood control, with the majority creating bodies of water. The speaker noted that the number of high-hazard dams has increased from 33 in 2004 to 64 due to increased downstream development, not new dam construction.
HB624: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:03:31.920 - 1:00:22 PM; An unnamed speaker addressed a question about why the proposed fee for shoreland waterfront was limited to properties directly on the water and not extended to those benefiting from flood control. The response clarified that the focus was on those directly benefiting from the impoundments, though some flood control dams also provide other benefits like drinking water. The committee's decision was to focus on the majority of properties directly benefiting from these impoundments.
HB624: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:05:37.000 - 1:02:28 PM; An unnamed speaker discussed the awareness of downstream residents regarding high-hazard dams and flood insurance. They explained that emergency action plans include mapping to identify affected areas, which is distributed to relevant agencies. However, there is no requirement to notify homebuyers about living downstream of a high-hazard dam, nor do FEMA flood insurance maps consider dam failures. The speaker mentioned a specific example in Farmington, New Hampshire, where a town-owned levy system exempts residents from flood insurance if maintained.
HB624: Unnamed Speaker Information Only04:08:46.000 - 1:05:37 PM; An unnamed speaker addressed a question about the potential cost savings of decommissioning dams. They noted that while decommissioning could be cost-effective in the long term, it would still require significant upfront costs. The speaker also mentioned community resistance to removing dams, as many residents prefer to maintain water levels for aesthetic and recreational purposes. They acknowledged that previous legislation considered selling dams to local towns as an alternative, which would shift the maintenance burden from the state to the towns.
HB624: Mr. Birdie Information Only04:10:31.800 - 1:07:22 PM; Mr. Birdie, representing the Timberland Owners Association and himself as a Forester and Selectman from Rumney, New Hampshire, provided insights into the potential impact of the bill on land management. He mentioned managing about 17,500 acres of land, with half under conservation easements and plans to add more. He estimated that the financial impact of the proposed fee on his client, Green Acres Woodland, would be between $16,600 and $20,700 annually, depending on the water frontage. He expressed support for dam maintenance but highlighted the significant costs to landowners.
HB624: Unnamed Speaker, Campton Oppose04:15:32.680 - 1:12:23 PM; The speaker, who appears to be representing interests related to Campton bog, expressed strong financial concerns regarding the impact of HB624 on their property. They detailed that an easement has been placed on their land for habitat protection, which has eliminated any potential for commercial or residential development. This has resulted in a significant loss of potential income, compounded by the fact that the land is used for public activities like snowmobiling, hunting, and fishing, from which they derive no financial benefit. The speaker highlighted the low tax revenue from the land under current use, about $2 per acre, and projected that the financial burden over the next decade could reach between $160,000 and $200,000. They suggested that the state might consider purchasing the land instead, given the financial strain on the current owners.
HB624: Jonah Orion Wheeler, representing Peterbro and Sharon Support04:20:36.159 - 1:17:27 PM; Jonah Orion Wheeler, representing the towns of Peterbro and Sharon, testified in support of HB624. He addressed concerns about the 27 flood control dams and clarified that the committee had decided not to tax those not directly benefiting from the dams due to typically open gates. Wheeler emphasized the critical condition of the dams and their importance to the state's economy, including recreational activities. He praised the efforts of Representatives Dun and Leishman on the legislation and suggested that granting rulemaking authority to the Department of Environmental Services (DES) would allow them to address specific concerns raised by other testifiers. Wheeler stressed the need for a fee structure to maintain the dams and encouraged the committee to review the study committee report for further understanding.
HB624: Rob Johnson, New Hampshire Farm Bureau Oppose04:24:06.840 - 1:20:57 PM; Rob Johnson, representing the New Hampshire Farm Bureau, opposed HB624, citing concerns over the taxation of open space lands under easements, including those under current use or conservation easements. He argued that the bill fails to exempt such lands and criticized the proposed rulemaking authority for the Department of Environmental Services, suggesting it could lead to the agency raising funds for itself. Johnson highlighted the impact on farmers, particularly those with land along river corridors, pointing out that the proposed taxes could be financially unfeasible. He called for clarification on what constitutes 'impounded water' and emphasized the broader benefits of open land to water quality and tourism, urging reconsideration of the bill's approach to taxation.
HB624: Matt Ley, Forest Society Information Only04:27:56.279 - 1:24:47 PM; Matt Ley from the Forest Society addressed the committee to discuss concerns about HB624. He acknowledged the significant problem that the bill aims to solve regarding dam maintenance costs but expressed concerns about the unintended consequences of the bill's structure. Specifically, he worried that the bill might discourage landowners from keeping their land in open space or current use status due to potential fees. He also raised questions about which properties would be subject to the fee, particularly those in current use, and how it would affect nonprofit organizations like the Forest Society that choose current use over tax exemption. Ley urged the committee to address these concerns.
HB624: Sarah Holland, New Hampshire Association of Realtors Oppose04:31:36.359 - 1:28:27 PM; Sarah Holland, representing the New Hampshire Association of Realtors, testified against HB624. She argued that the bill's proposal to impose a tax based on shoreline frontage for properties benefiting from state-maintained dams is inequitable and burdensome. Holland pointed out that the benefits of dams, such as flood control and recreational opportunities, extend beyond just waterfront property owners, suggesting that funding should be a collective responsibility. She also warned that such a tax could set a precedent for future levies on property owners, potentially making property ownership less affordable. Holland highlighted the impact on average citizens struggling with property taxes and emphasized the Realtors' opposition to the bill.
HB644: Representative Lisa Post, Prime Sponsor Support04:34:25.958 - 1:31:16 PM; Representative Lisa Post introduced HB644, which aims to allow commercial and recreational use of drones in state parks with certain exceptions and limitations. She mentioned that this is the third time the bill has been presented and highlighted changes made to address previous concerns. Post deferred to Drew Melmont for further details on the bill.
HB644: Drew Melmont, Hollis, New Hampshire Support04:35:48.958 - 1:32:39 PM; Drew Melmont, a data scientist from Hollis, New Hampshire, supported HB644. He provided his background as a licensed private pilot and one of the first licensed commercial drone pilots in the U.S. Melmont argued against the current blanket ban on drones in state parks, citing the lack of a permitting process and comparing it to policies in other states and federal lands. He emphasized the educational and recreational benefits of drones, particularly for children interested in STEM fields, and urged the committee to support the bill to regulate and ensure safe drone use in state parks.
HB644: Mr. Darby, New Hampshire Information Only04:39:03.359 - 1:35:54 PM; Mr. Darby, a licensed drone pilot, responded to a question about his interest in the licensure proposed by the bill. He explained that his primary use of drones is for hobby purposes, enjoying taking photos for non-commercial use. However, he also holds a commercial license and supports having regulations for both hobby and commercial drone uses.
HB644: Representative Ryan, New Hampshire Information Only04:40:06.520 - 1:36:57 PM; Representative Ryan expressed appreciation for the clarification provided in the bill, stating that it made the legislation easier to understand and addressed previous questions.
HB644: Representative Taylor, New Hampshire Information Only04:40:06.520 - 1:36:57 PM; Representative Taylor inquired about the maximum decibel level of drones under any regulation. The response indicated that drone noise typically ranges from 60 to 70 decibels, which is less than typical traffic noise, and compared it to the much higher decibel levels of gunfire.
HB644: Brian Wilson, Director of the Division of Parks and Recreation, Department of Natural and Cultural Resources, New Hampshire Oppose04:41:33.520 - 1:38:24 PM; Brian Wilson provided testimony on behalf of the Department of Natural and Cultural Resources and the Division of Parks and Recreation. He expressed concerns about the impact of drones on the recreational experience of park visitors, highlighting the need to protect the quality of the visitor experience. He pointed out that the bill's provisions on prohibiting flights that interfere with park use and video surveillance are unclear and potentially unenforceable. He also criticized the proposed fee structure for drone use and retrieval, stating that it might not cover costs and could divert staff from their duties. Wilson requested that drone-related rules and fees be managed through the department's existing administrative rule process and fiscal committee oversight, rather than through the legislation.
HB644: Representative Sergeant, New Hampshire Information Only04:45:14.000 - 1:42:05 PM; Representative Sergeant asked about the current regulations on drone use in state parks. Wilson responded that the use of drones is controlled through a permit process managed by the administrative rules of the parks, although controlling airspace is challenging and beyond their specialty.
HB644: Representative Dupont, New Hampshire Information Only04:46:20.600 - 1:43:11 PM; Representative Dupont asked who is responsible for enforcing drone rules in state parks. Wilson explained that park management staff are primarily responsible, with assistance from local police, fish and game, or state police when necessary, due to limited authority in law enforcement.
HB644: Unnamed Speaker, New Hampshire Information Only04:47:35.840 - 1:44:26 PM; An unnamed speaker clarified the jurisdiction over drones, stating that while the state can control drone launches and landings within parks, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has control over drones once they are in the sky. This means that if a drone is launched from outside park boundaries, the state has no control over its flight over the park.
HB644: Representative Darby, New Hampshire Information Only04:48:53.200 - 1:45:44 PM; Representative Darby discussed the ongoing rule-making process related to the regulation of drone takeoffs and landings in state parks. He mentioned that the Department has been revising administrative rules over the last year and is currently working on incorporating language related to drones. A public hearing on these rules is expected in March. He also clarified that prior to the rule-making, the Department operated under a policy level for drone regulations.
HB644: Unnamed Speaker, New Hampshire Information Only04:50:00.120 - 1:46:51 PM; The speaker addressed the nuances of enforcing drone regulations, explaining that rules are often not black and white and are applied on a case-by-case basis. They highlighted the difference in drone use policies between the US Forest Service and the National Park Service, suggesting that drone use might be permissible in less populated or remote areas of state parks, similar to other regulations like walking pets off-leash.
HB644: Unnamed Speaker, New Hampshire Information Only04:52:15.558 - 1:49:06 PM; The speaker provided additional context on the application of drone regulations, comparing them to other park rules. They emphasized that enforcement often involves judgment calls by staff, especially in less populated or remote areas of state parks.
HB644: Unnamed Speaker, New Hampshire Information Only04:52:15.558 - 1:49:06 PM; The speaker answered a question about the number of state parks and their total acreage, stating that there are 93 properties managed by the state, covering approximately 250,000 acres.
HB644: Christopher Ball, Department of Safety, New Hampshire Oppose04:53:16.958 - 1:50:07 PM; Christopher Ball, a trooper from the state police assigned to the Aviation unit, expressed concerns about HB644. He mentioned two other bills, SB49 and HB468, which address the use of drones for illegal activities and the need for law enforcement to have the authority to enforce these regulations. He suggested amending HB644 to include language requiring drone operators in state parks to comply with state laws, especially in light of the other proposed legislation.
HB657: Representative John Sellers, Grafton District 10, Bristol, Bridgewater Information Only04:56:28.520 - 1:53:19 PM; Representative Sellers requested that the committee vote to find HB657 inexpedient to legislate (ITL) due to federal law restrictions and the state's receipt of federal funding, which makes the bill's implementation problematic.

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