Committee Summary for House Science, Technology and Energy (01/21/2025)

Bill/Time	Type	Title	Sponsor
HB36 00:03:40.040 - 9:32:51 AM	Public Hearing	an act establishing a commission to study the short and long-term impacts of pending National and Regional carbon pricing mechanisms on New Hampshire's citizens businesses institutions and environment	Likely Text to Speech Error on Bill #
HB95 02:34:41.800 - 12:03:52 PM	Public Hearing	requiring the New Hampshire electric co-op regularly file a certificate of deregulation with the public utilities commission.	Thomas, Wendy(D)[CT]2024
HB166 03:20:20.000 - 12:49:31 PM	Public Hearing	establishing a committee to review Internet service providers' infrastructure transition plan from copper to fiber.	Edwards, Jess(R)[B+]2024
HB526 03:46:16.760 - 1:15:27 PM	Public Hearing	establishing a climate change and damage division in the department of environmental services.	Thomas, Wendy(D)[CT]2024
HB169 2025-the 04:16:12.000 - 1:45:23 PM	Public Hearing	relative to a quorum of the public utilities commission.	Cormen, Thomas(D)[CT]2024
HB106 Not provided in the transcript snippet 05:02:51.120 - 2:32:02 PM	Executive Session	establishing a commission to determine the monetary costs of climate damage to the state of New Hampshire and the best means of recouping such costs.	Caplan, Tony(D)[F]2024
HB306 Not provided in the transcript snippet 05:28:51.798 - 2:58:02 PM	Executive Session	establishing a commission to study the short and long-term impacts of pending national and regional carbon pricing mechanisms on New Hampshire's citizens, businesses, institutions, and environment.	Thomas, Wendy(D)[CT]2024
HB306 Not provided 05:31:25.480 - 3:00:36 PM	Executive Session	establishing a commission to study the short and long-term impacts of pending national and regional carbon pricing mechanisms on New Hampshire's citizens, businesses, institutions, and environment.	Thomas, Wendy(D)[CT]2024
HB526 Not provided 05:41:59.760 - 3:11:10 PM	Executive Session	establishing a climate change and damage division in the department of environmental services.	Thomas, Wendy(D)[CT]2024

HB36: Wendy Thomas, Marlow Support00:03:40.040 - 9:32:51 AM; Representative Wendy Thomas introduced House Bill 36, which aims to establish a commission to study the impacts of national and regional carbon pricing mechanisms on New Hampshire. She explained that carbon pricing is a market-based strategy to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by assigning a cost to carbon dioxide emissions, incentivizing lower emissions and promoting cleaner energy use. Thomas highlighted the benefits of the bill, including preparing the state for economic changes, protecting local industries, improving air quality, and planning for affordable energy. She emphasized the importance of understanding global market signals and their impact on New Hampshire's energy rates, positioning the state to remain competitive and environmentally responsible. She addressed questions about the bill's novelty and the necessity of a new commission, stressing the unique focus on New Hampshire's economy and health.
HB36: Cat McGee, Hollis Support00:12:18.199 - 9:41:29 AM; Representative Cat McGee spoke in support of studying the impacts of carbon pricing on New Hampshire. She noted the global adoption of carbon pricing, with 75 instruments currently in operation worldwide, including cap and trade programs in Canada, Mexico, and Panama. McGee discussed the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI) as a successful example of cap and trade, bringing in significant funds for emissions-lowering projects in New Hampshire. She argued that understanding the effects of global carbon pricing on the state's energy costs is crucial, and HB36 would help inform future policy decisions to keep energy costs low for consumers.
HB36: Unnamed Speaker Information Only00:18:45.159 - 9:47:56 AM; The speaker questioned the necessity of the bill, arguing that the science behind carbon pricing is not settled, and thus setting up a commission to study it might be premature. They were responded to by another speaker who clarified that the commission's purpose is to study the economic implications of carbon pricing, not to debate the science behind it. The discussion highlighted that 75 countries, including North American neighbors, have implemented carbon pricing, and New Hampshire needs to understand the impact on its ratepayers. The speaker's question was seen as taking the discussion off-topic.
HB36: Representative Kaplan Information Only00:21:10.960 - 9:50:21 AM; Representative Kaplan thanked Cat McGee for her testimony and asked about the importance of the commission in light of recent global events and the fact that New Hampshire is the only country in North America without a carbon pricing mechanism. The response emphasized the timeliness of the bill, stressing the need to understand the economic implications of not participating in carbon pricing, especially given global energy economy trends.
HB36: Michael Sununu, Newfields Oppose00:22:42.840 - 9:51:53 AM; Michael Sununu from Newfields opposed HB36, arguing against the establishment of a commission to study carbon pricing. He presented updated data from a previous presentation to the New Hampshire BIA, suggesting that a carbon tax would significantly increase consumer costs, potentially by $500 million annually in New Hampshire alone. He criticized the use of such funds, pointing to examples from Canada and New York where carbon taxes have led to increased costs and political backlash. Sununu expressed skepticism about the value of state commissions, arguing they often rehash existing information and are used to push agendas rather than provide new insights. He highlighted concerns about the impact of higher energy costs on low-income families and local businesses, using his experience as a selectman and welfare officer in Newfields to illustrate his points.
HB36: Representative Vice Chair Thomas Information Only00:28:41.039 - 9:57:52 AM; Representative Thomas questioned whether carbon pricing has globally reduced temperatures or emissions, to which Michael Sununu responded that the bill does not address those issues directly. Sununu pointed out the existing carbon regulation in the Northeast, which he claimed has led to high energy costs. When asked about the relevance of studying a carbon tax for his community, Sununu expressed concern about the impact on low-income families and local businesses, suggesting that higher energy costs could drive businesses away from the state.
HB36: Representative Bernardi Information Only00:31:50.360 - 10:01:01 AM; Representative Bernardi inquired about a document Michael Sununu mentioned in his testimony, which contained data on the impact of a carbon tax. Sununu explained that the document, which he had presented to the New Hampshire BIA, showed a potential $500 million annual increase in taxes in New Hampshire from a $40 per ton carbon tax. He apologized for not circulating the document earlier and offered to provide it to the committee.
HB36: Representative Kaplan Information Only00:33:23.200 - 10:02:34 AM; Representative Kaplan questioned Michael Sununu's opposition to the bill and any government effort to address energy system externalities. Sununu responded by arguing that the benefits of fossil fuels outweigh their external costs and expressed skepticism about the effectiveness of commissions, viewing them as more about promoting agendas than providing actionable insights.
HB36: Unnamed Speaker Information Only00:35:42.400 - 10:04:53 AM; The speaker addresses concerns about the cost to New Hampshire due to potential taxes related to carbon-based energy sources. They question whether not addressing the consumption of carbon-based fuels would increase the state's dependence on external energy sources, although they acknowledge this is a broader economic question not directly relevant to the bill at hand. They reference economic theories, particularly Adam Smith's views, suggesting that economies benefit from utilizing external resources to create value and improve local opportunities.
HB36: Barbara Southard, Bradford Support00:38:00.880 - 10:07:11 AM; Barbara Southard expresses support for preparing New Hampshire for future economic challenges related to carbon pricing. She discusses the upcoming EU carbon border adjustment mechanism (CBAM) and its potential global impact, suggesting that other countries will follow suit. She argues that having a carbon price could benefit New Hampshire's industries, particularly steel, due to their lower carbon emissions compared to international competitors. Southard advocates for the state to prepare by encouraging industries to become more efficient and increase the use of renewable energy sources, proposing a carbon fee and dividend system as a leadership move for New Hampshire.
HB36: Dr. Steven CLA, Bedford Oppose00:43:48.760 - 10:12:59 AM; Dr. Steven CLA strongly opposes HB36, which would establish a commission to study the impacts of carbon pricing in New Hampshire. As a retired environmental risk assessor, he argues that carbon pricing is flawed and unnecessary. He criticizes the bill for promoting the idea that human efforts can significantly reduce carbon dioxide levels, which he considers a minute part of the atmosphere. CLA discusses the natural carbon cycle, suggesting that human intervention in carbon sequestration is futile. He cites examples like California's environmental policies to illustrate unintended carbon emissions and concludes that any commission studying carbon pricing would be built on a weak foundation.
HB36: Megan Stone, Department of Energy Information Only00:54:51.160 - 10:24:02 AM; Megan Stone, from the Department of Energy, introduced herself and stated that the department is neutral on HB36. She requested that if the committee decides to move forward with the bill, they consider an amendment to include the Department of Energy as a member of the commission. This is due to the department's role in regulating and defending public interest in filings by electric and natural gas companies.
HB36: Mary Beth Raven, Merrimack Support00:57:26.480 - 10:26:37 AM; Mary Beth Raven, a resident of Merrimack, expressed support for HB36, emphasizing the need for reliable information on carbon pricing mechanisms. She referenced a 2020 warrant article in Merrimack that received significant support for studying carbon pricing, indicating broad community backing. She trusts that representatives from Merrimack will support the initiative, highlighting the minimal cost and significant value of a bipartisan study.
HB36: Donna Reen, Concord Support00:57:13.799 - 10:26:24 AM; Donna Reen, a resident of Concord, read a statement on behalf of Mary Beth Raven from Merrimack, supporting HB36. She also shared her own agreement with the statement and mentioned articles from the Concord Monitor discussing the benefits of electric trash compactors and the need for sustainable energy solutions, reinforcing the importance of the study on carbon pricing.
HB36: Susan Richmond, Durham Support01:02:09.839 - 10:31:20 AM; Susan Richmond, from Durham, supported HB36, discussing the practical implications of carbon pricing for municipal decisions, such as the purchase of electric garbage trucks in Durham. She argued that understanding carbon pricing aids in better municipal and business decisions. Richmond also addressed concerns about the economic impact of carbon fees, citing examples from Canada where a carbon fee and dividend system has led to economic growth and reduced emissions.
HB36: John Gage, Windham Support01:06:54.960 - 10:36:05 AM; John Gage, representing himself from Windham and as the state coordinator of Citizens' Climate Lobby, supported HB36. He emphasized the inevitability of carbon pricing globally and its economic benefits. Gage argued for a study to anticipate a federal carbon price, which would help New Hampshire make informed decisions about long-term investments and manage the risk of stranded assets. He highlighted the need for businesses to be informed about global carbon markets and supported the idea of a report to guide New Hampshire's economy.
HB36: Unnamed Speaker Information Only01:19:54.120 - 10:49:05 AM; The speaker, following John Gage's testimony, reflects on the need for more information to make informed decisions on pricing mechanisms like RPS or Reggie pricing. They suggest that without sufficient data, the state cannot effectively engage in debates or make good decisions on such matters. John Gage agrees with the speaker's assessment that more information is needed.
HB95: Wendy Thomas, Merrimack Support02:34:41.800 - 12:03:52 PM; Wendy Thomas, representing Merrimack, introduces House Bill 95-FN, which requires the New Hampshire Electric Co-op to file a certificate of deregulation every three years. She explains that such a certificate is a formal acknowledgment of operating under a deregulated framework, which allows for more customer choice and flexibility. Thomas argues that regular filing promotes transparency and accountability to the co-op's members, ensuring they are informed about operational and regulatory decisions. She highlights that the last filing was 24 years ago and emphasizes the need for periodic reassessment to adapt to evolving markets and technologies, enhancing democratic participation and safeguarding member interests.
HB95: Michael Jennings, New Hampshire Electric Cooperative Oppose02:40:11.240 - 12:09:22 PM; Michael Jennings, interim president and CEO of the New Hampshire Electric Cooperative, testifies in opposition to House Bill 95-FN. He argues that the bill is unnecessary and could impose additional costs on ratepayers and members. Jennings explains the cooperative's unique history and structure, emphasizing its member-owned and democratically controlled nature. He points out that members already have the ability to choose regulation status and have overwhelmingly supported deregulation. Jennings highlights potential costs, including an estimated $65,000 for compliance and additional staff, which would be borne by members. He also argues that regulation could stifle the cooperative's ability to be innovative and responsive to member needs.
HB95: William Darcy, New Hampshire Electric Cooperative, Benton Oppose02:44:49.399 - 12:14:00 PM; William Darcy, chair of the New Hampshire Electric Cooperative and its broadband subsidiary, as well as chair of the Benton Board of Selectmen, opposes House Bill 95-FN. He supplements Jennings' testimony by sharing his regulatory background and the cooperative's innovation, particularly with the introduction of broadband services following a member petition. Darcy argues that regulation would have prevented the cooperative from quickly entering the broadband market and securing grants, which have been crucial for serving underserved areas. He also mentions the cooperative's success in managing energy costs differently due to its deregulated status, which has led to lower rates during price spikes. Darcy emphasizes the value of deregulation in allowing the cooperative to be innovative and provide benefits to all of New Hampshire.
HB95: Unidentified Speaker Information Only02:51:19.040 - 12:20:30 PM; The speaker asked if the bill would allow the New Hampshire Electric Cooperative to do anything that they couldn't already do under their present charter. The response was that there is nothing additional in the bill that the members can't already do.
HB95: Representative Rol Information Only02:51:46.760 - 12:20:57 PM; Representative Rol questioned if the testimony given by the New Hampshire Electric Cooperative seemed to suggest that the bill would require them to become a regulated utility, which he clarified is not the case. He explained that the bill would require a process to discuss and certify why the cooperative should continue to be unregulated. He suggested that this could be an opportunity for the cooperative to showcase their achievements and benefits of being unregulated every few years, potentially every five years instead of three, to inform their members and the state about their advantages and innovative practices.
HB95: Representative from New Hampshire Electric Cooperative Oppose02:54:09.000 - 12:23:20 PM; The representative from the New Hampshire Electric Cooperative responded to Representative Rol's suggestion by stating that the existing legislation and bylaws already allow members to petition for regulation if desired, and no such petitions have been made in 24 years. They argued that the bill would add unnecessary costs and require members to do something they already have the right to do, emphasizing that they regularly communicate their achievements and benefits to members through monthly newsletters and a dedicated communications section within the organization.
HB95: Representative F Information Only02:56:30.520 - 12:25:41 PM; Representative F asked if the Public Utilities Commission (PUC) would be involved in the cooperative's community donation initiatives, specifically referencing the 'Round Up' program. The response was that the cooperative's deregulated status has allowed them flexibility in implementing such programs, and the implications of PUC regulation on this were not immediately clear.
HB95: Donald Cree, State Consumer Advocate Support02:58:25.040 - 12:27:36 PM; Donald Cree, the State Consumer Advocate, supported HB95-FN, explaining that the bill aims to enhance democratic member control at the New Hampshire Electric Cooperative by requiring a vote every three years on whether to maintain deregulation. He noted the significant changes in the electric industry over the past 25 years and recent turmoil within the cooperative's board, including allegations of sexism and bullying, and the resignation of the CEO. He argued that periodic votes on deregulation would be healthy for the cooperative and its customers, serving as a check on management without necessarily leading to regulation.
HB95: Representative McGee Information Only03:06:18.479 - 12:35:29 PM; Representative McGee questioned the costs mentioned by the cooperative, noting that the bill does not result in regulation but rather an automatic vote on deregulation. He asked about the potential costs of such elections, to which Donald Cree responded that the incremental cost to the cooperative would be zero as they already hold annual elections. Cree acknowledged that regulation imposes costs but emphasized the healthiness of periodic votes on deregulation.
HB95: Representative Bernardi Information Only03:08:56.040 - 12:38:07 PM; Representative Bernardi questioned whether the basis for the bill was solely the turnover of officers at the cooperative, and if so, why an election was necessary to address this issue. Donald Cree clarified that his concern was the intensity of the turmoil in the boardroom, including allegations of sexism and bullying, rather than just turnover. He suggested that the lack of regulation might be related to these issues, though he did not have direct access to the merits of the cooperative's operations due to its unregulated status.
HB95: Alex Spidel, Public Utilities Commission Oppose03:11:02.520 - 12:40:13 PM; Alex Spidel from the Public Utilities Commission (PUC) expressed opposition to HB95-FN, stating that the commission prefers the Cooperative to remain deregulated as it currently is. He explained that the Cooperative, like a municipal utility, is accountable to its customers who are also its owners, differing from investor-owned utilities. Spidel highlighted potential issues with the bill, including the hypothetical cost of $600,000 mentioned in the fiscal note, and the capacity constraints at the PUC. He mentioned that if the Cooperative were regulated, it would face a longer rate change process and new filing requirements, which could lead to teething troubles. He concluded by recommending that the status quo be maintained due to the lack of necessity for regulation.
HB95: Representative Summers Information Only03:15:40.640 - 12:44:51 PM; Representative Summers inquired about the impact of potential regulation on the pricing offered by the New Hampshire Cooperative to its ratepayers, referencing a past situation with high rates due to bad weather. Alex Spidel responded by discussing the Cooperative's role in educating the PUC during a market panic in 2022, and explained the complexities of lading and its mixed outcomes. He noted that re-regulation would shift the Cooperative's rate-setting process to a more bureaucratic system under the PUC.
HB95: Representative Rolds Information Only03:18:00.399 - 12:47:11 PM; Representative Rolds asked if the process of refiling to remain unregulated could provide a platform for the Cooperative to educate the PUC about its practices. Alex Spidel responded that the PUC is confident in the Cooperative's ability to manage its affairs without needing regular reports, suggesting that such a requirement might distract the Cooperative from its core mission and strain its resources.
HB166: Representative Keith Ammon Information Only03:20:20.000 - 12:49:31 PM; Representative Keith Ammon introduced HB166, which establishes a committee to review internet service provider (ISP) infrastructure transition plans from copper to fiber. He mentioned that the bill came about due to concerns raised by a whistleblower from an ISP about potential market disruptions or outages, particularly in rural areas. The study commission's purpose is to provide transparency and assess if market intervention is necessary. Ammon noted that he is a co-sponsor but not directly involved in the details of the bill.
HB166: Representative Wendy Thomas Information Only03:23:29.760 - 12:52:40 PM; Representative Wendy Thomas asked why the committee was not set up as a commission with the PUC as a member. She also sought clarification on the origin of the bill, mentioning that it stemmed from a single employee's concerns. Ammon explained the bill's bipartisan nature and clarified that the concern was about the speed of the transition potentially being too fast.
HB166: Representative Harrington Information Only03:25:47.640 - 12:54:58 PM; Representative Harrington questioned whether the issue of ISP infrastructure transitions would already be under the PUC's regulatory framework. Ammon responded that the bill aims to bring transparency to the process, and Harrington clarified that the PUC does not regulate internet services, which fall under the FCC's jurisdiction.
HB166: Representative Bares Information Only03:26:35.080 - 12:55:46 PM; Representative Bares inquired about how the details of ISP plans would come to light if neither the PUC nor other state agencies have this information. Ammon explained that the ISPs would be invited to present their plans, aiming to prevent potential outages.
HB166: Representative Corman Information Only03:28:13.000 - 12:57:24 PM; Representative Corman asked about potential outcomes of the study, specifically if it could lead to legislation allowing PUC involvement. Ammon responded that any recommendations for legislation would depend on the commission's findings.
HB166: Teresa Rosenberger, Bernstein Shur, representing New Hampshire Telephone Association and Consolidated Communications Information Only03:29:00.640 - 12:58:11 PM; Teresa Rosenberger, representing the New Hampshire Telephone Association and Consolidated Communications, expressed a neutral stance on HB166 but questioned its necessity. She stated that her clients, the traditional telephone companies, already have plans for 100% broadband coverage and are progressing towards those goals. Rosenberger mentioned existing reporting requirements to the FCC and the state, and noted that the bill's focus on copper technology might give a competitive advantage to other parts of the industry. She emphasized that all her clients are moving towards full coverage and questioned the bill's relevance.
HB166: Unidentified Speaker Information Only03:33:34.000 - 1:02:45 PM; The speaker requested clarification on the technologies mentioned in the testimony, specifically asking about technologies other than copper. They mentioned that the cable industry uses coaxial cable, while landlines use copper. They expressed confusion about why the establishment focused on copper without mentioning other technologies in the duties section. The speaker was trying to understand the broader context of the industry's technological agnosticism and the specific concerns raised about copper.
HB166: Unidentified Speaker Information Only03:34:33.439 - 1:03:44 PM; This speaker, who works in the networking field, discussed the cost overruns associated with the implementation of fiber optic cables, particularly focusing on the costs related to switching and transceivers rather than the cable itself. They mentioned that these components are owned by service providers. The speaker also confirmed that the state does not have regulatory control over the equipment used by these companies, which falls under FCC jurisdiction.
HB166: Unidentified Speaker Information Only03:35:35.640 - 1:04:46 PM; The speaker questioned the potential impact of market dynamics and cost overruns on electrical services during the transition discussed in the testimony. They specifically asked if there were any known effects on electrical service, to which the response was that no such impacts were known.
HB526: Wendy Thomas, Town of Merrimack Support03:46:16.760 - 1:15:27 PM; Representative Wendy Thomas introduced House Bill 526, which aims to establish a division of climate change and damage within the Department of Environmental Services. She emphasized the necessity of this division to address climate change, focusing on climate adaptation planning, identifying vulnerabilities such as sea level rise and extreme weather events, and developing resilience plans. Thomas highlighted the importance of gathering all related data into a repository, the role of the division in public engagement and education, and its involvement in funding and grants management to support climate change mitigation and adaptation. She argued that this bill represents an opportunity for New Hampshire to lead in climate resilience and sustainability.
HB526: Unidentified Speaker Information Only03:50:10.880 - 1:19:21 PM; An unidentified speaker asked Representative Thomas about the nomination process for the director of the new division, specifically questioning the requirement for a list of three candidates and the funding for the position. Thomas clarified that the original intent did not include the list of three and that while no funds were appropriated, existing staff within the Department of Environmental Services could potentially fill the role, though additional hires might be necessary.
HB526: Representative Harrington Information Only03:53:23.359 - 1:22:34 PM; Representative Harrington questioned the feasibility of establishing a new division with only a director and no additional staff. Thomas responded that at least one employee under the director would be reasonable, indicating that the division would likely require more than just a director.
HB526: Mike Fitzgerald, Department of Environmental Services, Assistant Director of the Air Resources Division Information Only03:54:08.479 - 1:23:19 PM; Mike Fitzgerald provided insights into the Department of Environmental Services' current work on climate change and corrected a misconception regarding a fiscal note that had been signed and sent. He explained that the department already undertakes some of the activities mentioned in the bill, such as adaptation planning work, but noted that additional staff would be necessary to fully implement the division as proposed. Fitzgerald also clarified the difference between classified and unclassified positions within state government, suggesting that the bill's wording might need clarification.
HB526: Unnamed Legislator Information Only03:58:33.920 - 1:27:44 PM; The unnamed legislator asked about the implications of recent events, including an executive order by President Trump and statements by EPA and UN officials, on the bill concerning climate change and damage. They expressed concern about how these factors align with the proposed changes and damages related to climate change.
HB526: Mike Fitzgerald, Department of Environmental Services, Assistant Director of the Air Resources Division Information Only03:59:19.680 - 1:28:30 PM; Mike Fitzgerald responded to questions about how the Department of Environmental Services follows the direction of the governor and federal funding policies. He mentioned that their work on climate mitigation is tied to developing a climate plan, and they would follow any changes in policy from the federal level or the governor's office. He also addressed a question about the lack of a clear position from DES on the bill, stating that they have not yet provided a support, oppose, or neutral stance.
HB526: Representative McGee Information Only04:00:45.359 - 1:29:56 PM; Representative McGee inquired about section three of the bill, which involves public engagement and education on climate change. They mentioned past experiences with the Energy Efficiency Board and asked about the clarity of agency responsibilities regarding climate damages and costs. They were interested in understanding if DES still had a dedicated role for climate issues since Chris Scogland's departure.
HB526: Mike Fitzgerald, Department of Environmental Services, Assistant Director of the Air Resources Division Information Only04:02:19.080 - 1:31:30 PM; Mike Fitzgerald explained that the position previously held by Chris Scogland is now staffed under the climate pollution reduction grant. He mentioned that DES's work on climate change is currently funded by federal grants, and there is no state authorization or funding for climate change activities. He discussed the potential need for new positions if the bill passes, particularly for research and analysis, and how this would require state funding.
HB526: Representative Kaplan Support04:05:49.840 - 1:35:00 PM; Representative Kaplan expressed appreciation for the work being done on the climate action plan and resilience. They asked if the bill would benefit the ongoing efforts in resilience and education, excluding the research and analysis components. They received a positive response indicating that the bill could provide leadership and education in climate change adaptation.
HB526: Representative Partial Information Only04:07:21.359 - 1:36:32 PM; Representative Partial asked about the availability of the fiscal note that DES submitted to the Office of Legislative Services (OLS). Mike Fitzgerald mentioned that it was signed and submitted on January 7th, but he was unsure if it had been printed and distributed.
HB526: Nick Koff, Conservation Law Foundation Support04:08:26.359 - 1:37:37 PM; Nick Koff, a senior attorney with the Conservation Law Foundation, supported the bill, emphasizing the need for a dedicated division within DES to study climate change impacts and plan for adaptation. He highlighted the effects of climate change on New Hampshire's economy, infrastructure, and ecosystems, including shorter winters affecting recreation, rising sea levels impacting the seacoast, and wildlife issues like the moose population and tick proliferation.
HB526: Representative Summers Information Only04:10:40.040 - 1:39:51 PM; Representative Summers asked about the global contribution to CO2 emissions, noting that Western countries produce 15% while Asia and developing countries produce 85%. They questioned the financial responsibility of the West in addressing climate change. Nick Koff clarified that the bill focuses on adaptation, not mitigation, and discussed the historical responsibility of Western countries for CO2 emissions, emphasizing the need for planning and adaptation regardless of global contributions.
HB526: Unidentified Speaker Information Only04:13:16.520 - 1:42:27 PM; The speaker discussed the impact of climate change on dams and waterways in New Hampshire. They highlighted the role of dams in providing environmental services, flood control, and economic benefits through high-value shoreline properties. They noted the increasing frequency of high precipitation events as a significant climate impact and suggested that the position proposed in HB526 would help gather information and provide forecasts related to these effects. They referenced the Summer of 2023 when storms in the Upper Valley led to dam failures, illustrating the need for the bill's objectives to assess how climate change affects infrastructure and to propose necessary adaptations or upgrades to make infrastructure more resilient to climate change.
HB169 2025-the: Tom Corman, Grafton 15, Lebanon Support04:16:12.000 - 1:45:23 PM; Tom Corman introduced an amendment to HB169, clarifying that any action taken by the Public Utilities Commission (PUC) should require the support of at least two of the three Commissioners. He provided background on RSA 363:1, which gives the PUC chair powers similar to department commissioners, allowing the chair to set rules independently. Corman argued that this was not the legislature's intent and his bill aims to ensure that at least two Commissioners agree on any PUC action. He addressed the fiscal note's concern about needing a special commissioner if there are vacancies, stating that two Commissioners should suffice and no special commissioner is needed. He responded to questions about the implications of his bill if two Commissioners resigned, stating that while it would be detrimental for the PUC to be unable to act, it underscores the urgency for the governor and executive council to fill vacancies promptly.
HB169 2025-the: Unidentified Speaker Information Only04:20:54.479 - 1:50:05 PM; The unidentified speaker posed a question to Tom Corman about the potential scenario where two PUC Commissioners resign, leaving only one. They asked if this would mean the PUC's activity would halt until new Commissioners are appointed and approved, and what would happen to the PUC's other employees during this period. Corman responded by stating that while he is not an expert on PUC internal operations, there would still be work for the employees. He emphasized that it would be incumbent upon the governor and council to fill the vacancies promptly to prevent the state from suffering, and stressed that a single Commissioner does not constitute a commission.
HB169 2025-the: Unidentified Speaker Information Only04:24:01.640 - 1:53:12 PM; The speaker inquired about the practicality of an interim appointment process for the PUC in case of unexpected vacancies. Corman responded that he was unsure but suggested that someone with prior experience on the PUC might be able to step in temporarily. He mentioned that the fiscal note's concern about compensation for an interim commissioner might not be significant since the compensation not going to the absent Commissioner could be redirected.
HB169 2025-the: Unidentified Speaker Information Only04:25:17.640 - 1:54:28 PM; The speaker asked Tom Corman if his bill could be characterized as a good government bill, clarifying that a majority of the commission is needed to take action. Corman agreed but emphasized his objection to RSA 363:1, which he believes gives the PUC chair too much power to set rules independently. He confirmed that his bill aims to ensure that at least two Commissioners are required to adopt rules.
HB169 2025-the: Unidentified Speaker Information Only04:27:38.760 - 1:56:49 PM; The speaker asked about the fiscal note's mention of a starting salary for a special commissioner. Corman stated he did not know the answer to the question about the salary.
HB169 2025-the: Unidentified Speaker Information Only04:28:25.000 - 1:57:36 PM; The speaker expressed confusion about the changes to HB169 and sought clarification on what the bill intended to achieve. Corman explained that his intention was to ensure that at least two-thirds of the full commission (two Commissioners) are required to issue orders, regardless of vacancies. He noted that the fiscal note had misinterpreted this aspect. The speaker followed up by discussing current laws that allow hearings to be conducted by a single Commissioner, but Corman argued that at least two Commissioners should be present at a hearing if they are required to make a decision.
HB169 2025-the: Donald Cree, Consumer Advocate Information Only04:31:13.640 - 2:00:24 PM; Donald Cree, the Consumer Advocate, testified by emphasizing his dual roles as a representative of residential utility customers and as an administrative law professor. He discussed the functions of regulatory agencies, specifically distinguishing between adjudication and rulemaking. Cree highlighted a concern regarding the New Hampshire Public Utilities Commission (PUC), where rulemaking authority was transferred to the PUC chair in 2021, which he believes was unintended by the legislature. He suggested that HB169 aims to restore rulemaking authority to the full three-member commission. Cree proposed a specific amendment to RSA 363:1 to clarify that rulemaking should be a power of the commission, not solely the chair, and emphasized that the bill could be drafted more directly to achieve its goal without controversy.
HB169 2025-the: Alex Sidell, Public Utilities Commission Oppose04:38:06.520 - 2:07:17 PM; Alex Sidell from the Public Utilities Commission testified in opposition to HB169 as currently proposed. He expressed concerns about the bill's impact on the commission's operations, particularly the requirement for three commissioners to be present for every order and hearing, which he argued would be impractical given the commission's workload and other responsibilities. Sidell noted the constant flow of hearings and orders at the commission and the potential for vacancies or absences. He cautioned that the proposed language could halt the commission's work and suggested retaining provisions for single commissioner decisions in emergencies. Sidell also commented on the Consumer Advocate's proposed amendment, indicating a preference to defer a formal response but suggesting that the chair might view rulemaking as an administrative task.
HB106 Not provided in the transcript snippet: Vice Chair Thomas Information Only05:02:51.120 - 2:32:02 PM; Vice Chair Thomas made a motion to recommend that HB106 be deemed inexpedient to legislate (ITL).
HB106 Not provided in the transcript snippet: Representative Bney Information Only05:02:54.638 - 2:32:05 PM; Representative Bney seconded the motion to recommend HB106 as inexpedient to legislate.
HB106 Not provided in the transcript snippet: Representative Thomas Oppose05:03:27.160 - 2:32:38 PM; Representative Thomas expressed concerns about the bill, focusing on the reliance on predictions as a basis for legislation. He highlighted the uncertainty and potential liabilities that could arise from attributing damages to actions within or outside the state. He suggested that without clear and absolute evidence, it would be prudent to delay the bill.
HB106 Not provided in the transcript snippet: Representative Wendy Thomas Support05:04:54.920 - 2:34:05 PM; Representative Wendy Thomas argued in favor of the bill, emphasizing the real impacts of climate change already visible in New Hampshire, such as road washouts, coastal flooding, and effects on winter sports and lakes. She stressed the urgency of forming a commission to address these issues, noting that New Hampshire is lagging behind other New England states in responding to climate change.
HB106 Not provided in the transcript snippet: Representative Kaplan Support05:05:51.040 - 2:35:02 PM; Representative Kaplan expressed frustration over the politicization of climate change, pointing out the need for a non-partisan approach to address the issue. He highlighted the necessity of a commission to plan for future financial damages due to climate change, using the metaphor of 'walking to the top of the hill' to emphasize proactive measures. He criticized the denial and misinformation spread by the fossil fuel industry and called for responsible action to protect constituents and communities.
HB106 Not provided in the transcript snippet: Vice Chair Thomas Oppose05:08:36.798 - 2:37:47 PM; Vice Chair Thomas defended the merit of opposing viewpoints, citing credible testimonies that presented contrary evidence to the bill's assertions. He expressed concern over potential unknown costs and liabilities to the state, arguing for caution due to the uncertainty surrounding the attribution of damages and the potential for litigation.
HB106 Not provided in the transcript snippet: Representative Corman Support05:10:11.520 - 2:39:22 PM; Representative Corman emphasized the reality of climate change and its effects, particularly on the ski industry in New Hampshire. He argued that the commission is necessary to plan for and adapt to these changes, using the analogy of smoking and lung cancer to illustrate how climate change increases the likelihood of extreme weather events. He called for an understanding and proactive approach to the issue.
HB106 Not provided in the transcript snippet: Representative Summers Oppose05:12:38.798 - 2:41:49 PM; Representative Summers drew a distinction between science and religion, discussing the scientific method and its application to understanding climate change. He mentioned the Earth's orbital and axial changes as natural causes of climate variation, questioning the attribution of current climate changes to human activity. He argued against imposing damages based on what he considers unproven scientific facts.
HB106 Not provided in the transcript snippet: Unidentified Speaker Information Only05:14:10.400 - 2:43:21 PM; The speaker discussed the uncertainty of the future and the importance of using models and scientific consensus to predict and prepare for future events, particularly in relation to climate change. They highlighted the role of insurance companies in assessing risk and suggested that dismissing climate change concerns without evidence is imprudent.
HB106 Not provided in the transcript snippet: Representative McGee, Hollis Support05:15:48.240 - 2:44:59 PM; Representative McGee from Hollis spoke about the tangible effects of climate change on local farmers, particularly mentioning the Brookdale Fruit Farm and their adaptations to changing conditions. They emphasized the economic impacts, such as crop losses requiring federal assistance, and the need for New Hampshire to address these issues proactively. McGee stressed the importance of the bill in protecting the state's economy and suggested that ignoring the issue could be seen as negligence.
HB106 Not provided in the transcript snippet: Representative Rolds Support05:19:19.798 - 2:48:30 PM; Representative Rolds referenced the consensus among scientific organizations like the National Academy of Sciences and the American Geophysical Union, stating that climate change is real and caused by human activities. They mentioned their previous role with the Union of Concerned Scientists and their involvement with the Northeast Climate Impacts Assessment, which projected impacts on various sectors like fisheries, tourism, agriculture, and forestry. Rolds supported the bill, arguing it would help document impacts and position New Hampshire to seek recovery from the fossil fuel industry, drawing parallels to the tobacco settlement.
HB106 Not provided in the transcript snippet: Representative Harrington Oppose05:24:46.160 - 2:53:57 PM; Representative Harrington expressed skepticism about the urgency and impact of climate change, referencing past predictions that did not materialize. They criticized the idea of New Hampshire spending resources on studying climate change, arguing that the state's actions would have little impact on a global issue. Harrington advocated for adaptation over proactive measures and moved to recommend the bill as inexpedient to legislate (ITL).
HB306 Not provided in the transcript snippet: Representative Nder Oppose05:28:51.798 - 2:58:02 PM; Representative Nder moved to recommend House Bill 306 as inexpedient to legislate (ITL).
HB306 Not provided in the transcript snippet: Representative Bernardi Oppose05:28:54.520 - 2:58:05 PM; Representative Bernardi seconded the motion to recommend House Bill 306 as inexpedient to legislate (ITL).
HB306 Not provided in the transcript snippet: Representative Nter Oppose05:29:11.718 - 2:58:22 PM; Representative Nter opposed the establishment of a commission to study carbon pricing, citing past experiences with carbon pricing legislation, such as House Bill 735 in 2019, which they claimed was too expensive and never debated on the house floor. They argued that there is no current national or regional carbon pricing mechanism and criticized the relevance of the bill, suggesting it duplicates last year's House Bill 372, which was also deemed inexpedient to legislate.
HB306 Not provided: Wendy Thomas, Marlow Support05:31:25.480 - 3:00:36 PM; Wendy Thomas from Marlow expressed her support for the bill, emphasizing the importance of addressing carbon pricing due to its impending impact on New Hampshire's economy. She clarified that the bill under discussion is the same as one passed in the previous term, indicating public demand for attention to this issue. Thomas argued that carbon pricing should not be confused with a tax on energy but rather seen as a mechanism to impose costs on polluters for climate protection. She highlighted that other countries, like Canada, provide rebates from carbon pricing, suggesting that New Hampshire should study the potential effects on its economy.
HB306 Not provided: Representative Summers Oppose05:33:06.878 - 3:02:17 PM; Representative Summers expressed opposition to the bill, citing concerns from constituents about rising energy costs. He mentioned receiving more requests for lower fuel and electrical rates than support for carbon pricing, indicating his belief that the bill would not align with the needs of his constituents.
HB306 Not provided: Vice Chair Thomas Oppose05:33:40.160 - 3:02:51 PM; Vice Chair Thomas voiced skepticism about the effectiveness of carbon pricing, citing Europe's experience where emissions have not significantly decreased despite long-term implementation. He raised concerns about the high economic costs associated with carbon pricing, suggesting it might be politically impossible to implement and questioned its environmental impact. He concluded that while carbon pricing could raise revenue, its effectiveness in reducing environmental impact remains uncertain.
HB306 Not provided: Representative McGee Support05:35:41.798 - 3:04:52 PM; Representative McGee supported the bill, describing it as a 'sunlight bill' aimed at increasing public understanding of carbon pricing and its potential effects. He emphasized the need for New Hampshire to study how carbon pricing, which is being adopted by major trading partners, might impact local costs. McGee argued that without this information, effective future legislation cannot be crafted, and delaying the study would be detrimental.
HB306 Not provided: Representative Kaplan Support05:38:08.798 - 3:07:19 PM; Representative Kaplan supported the bill, echoing Representative McGee's sentiments about the importance of gathering information on carbon pricing. He commended the environmental concern shown by his colleagues and stressed the necessity of studying the impacts of carbon pricing mechanisms, particularly in light of other countries' experiences. Kaplan argued that understanding these impacts is crucial for planning New Hampshire's future.
HB526 Not provided: Representative Schneller Information Only05:41:59.760 - 3:11:10 PM; Representative Schneller moved and seconded the motion of ITL (Inexpedient to Legislate) on House Bill 526 FN. They commented that the bill assumes climate damage that has not yet been seen.
HB526 Not provided: Representative Wendy Thomas Oppose05:42:13.520 - 3:11:24 PM; Representative Wendy Thomas refuted the previous statement by asserting that the state cannot afford not to address climate change. She cited increased flooding in the summer, roads washing out, decreased snow in the winter affecting the tourist and skiing industries, warmer lakes leading to toxic cyanobacteria blooms, and the potential for wildfires as evidence of climate damage already occurring.
HB526 Not provided: Representative Corman Support05:44:10.280 - 3:13:21 PM; Representative Corman agreed with Representative Wendy Thomas, citing significant flooding events in the Upper Valley and the Sea Coast, as well as the impact of smoke from wildfires from neighboring regions. They mentioned the testimony from Jessica Keeler of Ski New Hampshire about the effects of extreme weather on the ski industry, such as droughts impacting snow-making, flooding affecting infrastructure, and unseasonable temperatures affecting the ski season's length.
HB526 Not provided: Representative Bernardi Oppose05:45:44.040 - 3:14:55 PM; Representative Bernardi argued against the premise that climate change is causing continual catastrophic events, citing historical data from the 1930s Dust Bowl, the 1950s floods in New Hampshire, and the 1978 coastal storm as examples of past severe weather events that were not attributed to climate change.
HB526 Not provided: Representative Summers Information Only05:46:30.958 - 3:15:41 PM; Representative Summers suggested imposing a 100% tariff on China and India for climate change to address their contribution to global pollution. They argued that taking action in a small state like New Hampshire would have negligible effects compared to the larger impact of these countries.
HB526 Not provided: Representative Kaplan Oppose05:48:03.920 - 3:17:14 PM; Representative Kaplan mentioned carbon pricing mechanisms as a way to tax countries for their carbon content, directly addressing Representative Summers' suggestion. They expressed surprise at Representative Summers' opposition to a previous bill that proposed similar measures.
HB526 Not provided: Vice Chair Thomas Information Only05:48:25.718 - 3:17:36 PM; Vice Chair Thomas responded to Representative Bernardi's point by noting the increased informational structure and population today compared to the past. They suggested that while extreme weather has occurred throughout history, the economic and social impacts are more significant now due to increased infrastructure and population, cautioning against attributing these effects solely to climate change without considering other factors.
HB526 Not provided: Representative TS Elliot Information Only05:50:45.200 - 3:19:56 PM; Representative TS Elliot discussed the human capability for reality and the challenges in discerning what is real regarding climate change. They expressed concern about decisions that could lead to energy poverty and urged caution against making hasty decisions that could adversely affect constituents.

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